Can you get awakened with the intention to escape suffering?

[actualizing25]

Im just curious, if one can reach full permanent awakening with the the motivation to escape suffering?

[mandyjw]

All suffering is projection, the motivation to stop projecting suffering is the desire for awakening. You cannot escape something that is an illusion. You can see it as an illusion and stop running and the need for escape disappears. 

[Guru Fat Bastard]

Yeah. Any motivation to seek Truth,God,Realization etc.,can be used. It is often because of suffering that one seeks. No one wants to suffer. It's the reason one seeks happiness in objects,relationships,status,accomplishments etc., We want a sustained joy and peace,not a joy or peace that is temporary which is often the case.

[Osaid]

You gotta start where you're at. I think everyone started with egoic desire.

[actualizing25]

@Guru Fat Bastard I was asking because I thought that desire for truth should be your only motivation.

[LfcCharlie4]

The desire to escape suffering is how many people get involved in this work, or more precisely, the desire for lasting peace and happiness.

Everyone always wants happiness! 
 

Once we find out that lasting peace and happiness is inherent in ourselves, all that is left is to celebrate life, and then everything we do is simply done as an expression of our understanding, no longer seeking happiness, but expressing it  

[actualizing25]

@LfcCharlie4 wise words, bro.  Seeking happiness is the basis for being a human being.

[Visionary]

35 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

Once we find out that lasting peace and happiness is inherent in ourselves, all that is left is to celebrate life, and then everything we do is simply done as an expression of our understanding, no longer seeking happiness, but expressing it.

???

[Leo Gura]

There are certainly examples of it.

[actualizing25]

@Leo Gura But can you really go far in this work with this type of motivation?

[lmfao]

@actualizing25 Everyone says, you should be in this to seek truth. But I want to be relieved of suffering. 

You can't attempt to trick yourself into thinking you must do this work for the sake of truth alone, simply because you think that doing it for the sake of truth alone will work and relieve your suffering. That is untruthful, dishonest.

And so paradoxically, the most truthful thing you can do is admit you don't give a rat's ass about truth and just want to feel good. 

Edited May 31, 2020 by lmfao

[Raptorsin7]

5 hours ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

the desire for lasting peace and happiness.

Yup, the only thing that motivates me is basically this in one form or another.

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

It is just a thought. You can simply reframe it to: "I have the intention of being one with love completely" and at the same time what gets completed is the escape of suffering

[WelcometoReality]

@actualizing25  You can awake to the point where there is no suffering and a deep tranquility but to go further truth must be the highest priority.

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

If you had any kind of "awakening" it must mean you have tasted true universal love. You can't really go back from that... The love is too great, too powerful, you fall in love with it automatically.

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, actualizing25 said:

@Leo Gura But can you really go far in this work with this type of motivation?

The highest motivation is Love.

[Akemrelax]

@Leo Gura Doesn't the duality between negative and positive motivation break at a certain point in the path?

[deso]

54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The highest motivation is Love.

What if your being wants to maximise love in other ways rather than seeking for even higher truths?

What if feeling is telling you to not go any further, because there’s something more important right now?

Why continue to go deeper and deeper if it doesn’t make you happy?

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

1 minute ago, deso said:

What if your being wants to maximise love in other ways rather than seeking for even higher truths?

What if feeling is telling you to not go any further, because there’s something more important right now?

Why continue to go deeper and deeper if it doesn’t make you happy?

What is "deeper and deeper" for you? Truth is not that deep. Truth is beyond "depth" so it is not "deep" at all actually. Literally just be aware of being aware. That is ultimate happiness. By being aware of being aware you are literally saying to life "I choose to be happy, not to engage with the mind and distracting thoughts, emotions and sensations".

[deso]

@IAmTheHolySpirit what if every goal that you ultimately try to reach is already reached? What if everything that you truly want is already there? What if you can live every moment in complete surrender and just listen to what love tells you to do? Wouldn‘t this mean you didn’t have to figure anything out all that much, because it is already there, you just don‘t see it yet? Complete letting go of control and just focusing on what makes you happy each and every moment. Isn‘t it so that love will show you the way to what you want naturally by not knowing how to get anywhere, by not needing to go anywhere, by just complete surrender to love?