Spirituality and veganism

[EnlightenmentBlog]

I haven't checked this, but didn't scientists prove that plants can also feel. 

On topic, you can always buy bio, where animals are treated justly. I don't have the money for that investment.

I've found that eating less meat is better. 

[allislove]

1 minute ago, EnlightenmentBlog said:

I haven't checked this, but didn't scientists prove that plants can also feel. 

Lol. Just take tab of acid and look into chamomile head.

It was so good, the whole world inside  ?

[Nemo28]

35 minutes ago, dimitri said:

The main trigger for "forgiveness" "others" is going to be realization that "they" are literally you.

I can forgive them, im not all white myself.. I just bought a milk, want to see how i feel drinkin it (since i really like milk), maybe im more aligned not cutting milk products out, maybe i will limit my consumption ..ahh forgive me cows! :< 

[allislove]

1 minute ago, Nemo28 said:

I can forgive them, im not all white myself.. I just bought a milk, want to see how i feel drinkin it (since i really like milk), maybe im more aligned not cutting milk products out, maybe i will limit my consumption ..ahh forgive me cows! :< 

??

??❤️ thanks for conversation.

[Nemo28]

@dimitri ^^

[VeganAwake]

13 minutes ago, Nemo28 said:

I can forgive them, im not all white myself.. I just bought a milk, want to see how i feel drinkin it (since i really like milk), maybe im more aligned not cutting milk products out, maybe i will limit my consumption ..ahh forgive me cows! :< 

Mmm baby calf growth fluid utterly packed with sex hormones blood and pus from the bovine species.

Hehe joking ?

Edited May 27, 2020 by VeganAwake

[Tanz]

3 hours ago, dimitri said:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a394gp/smartphones-child-labor-cobalt-mines-africa-congo-amnesty-international

@Dutch guy "It's only for strong people" to stop using every battery powered device, like phone.

 "It's of no use for your survival or ego."

Wow I learned something new today, thanks.  Nice piggyback to the point I made earlier.  Its nearly impossible to consume something without exploitation involved.  Unless you live in the woods and make everything yourself from scratch + don't use electricity.  

I would also like to add in,  that rocks and metals taken from the earth are conscious and may enjoy where they are at before humans stick dynamite and blow them up.  A well-compensated worker in the mines is risking their life while their boss whom comes from generational wealth is sitting at home banging underaged girls.  One was born in the "right" family, and the other born "normal" 

[Tanz]

@Dutch guy You are weighing the value of a tree or plant less than an animal by making assumptions on things.  Producing solar panels which are clean energy hurts the earth making them.  Rocks, minerals, and the soil have been around much longer than animals.  

If you can solve this consumption issue with an end product of little to no suffering you will win the noble peace prize and do something, Jesus, Buddha, Einstein or anyone in history was not able to do.  You'd have to literally create food and goods from thin air.   

I'm not trying to get you to convert to eating meat in fact it's better not to but entertaining your train of thought.  Your ideas of greater or lesser can get in the way of your development.  

 

[LfcCharlie4]

@Tanz I think all anyone is saying, is while you can't be perfect you can relatively speaking, help minimize suffering and exploitation on some levels. 

From reading this thread is seems you're adding a whitewash of Advaita over real relative issues and then using half-baked truths to shift it back on to the other person. 

As @Meta-Man calls it, it's known as the Advaita Shuffle. 

Or Pseudo-Advaita. 

Rupert Spira has a good example on someone doing it with the example of Porn. 

https://www.non-duality.rupertspira.com/read/addiction_porn_and_pseudo_advaita

[Tanz]

@LfcCharlie4

Not really, I have no reason to justify myself not convert anyone from vegan, vegetarian to eating meat.  I am just pointing out to hypocrisy that we all live in our lives. There is very little value in having a debate on who is more moralistic than another.  Even the idea of spiritualism is misunderstood.  As much as a admire people like Buddha, Jesus, Sadhguru, Rupert, Adyashanti I can identify the limitations of them along with myself to transform my own suffering or another own suffering through spirituality.   

The person that invented the filtering of water.  How many lives did they save?  One can argue that they alleviated more suffering than those spiritual men.  Still speaking in the context of greater or more spiritual is an exercise of the ego.  There is no way to measure how far an act of kindness can go vs how far an unintentional act can go.   

I am not familiar with Advaita.  

Edited May 28, 2020 by Tanz

[JessiChell]

@Nemo28

It depends on what your version of consciousness is. I am under the impression it's about silencing thoughts and living in the moment. Kind of like you're a dog or something. 

Veganism is a justice movement. If children (or dogs) were being raped and killed would you want to willingly pay for this to happen directly if it gave some sort of small pleasure you could easily live without? People would never try to justify any other injustice with, "what about insects though."

It's not about causing zero harm. We cause harm just by existing. But just because I cause harm by living, doesn't mean I need to cause the most harm. It doesn't mean I need to pay for animal abuse, child abuse or any other terrible injustice. 

Idk what this means in terms of consciousness. I don't know if it even relates. Leo might say it doesn't relate. I think he believes morality is subjective. But that's abstract thought to open your mind. It's different when actually paying for someone to brutally murder an animal for a sandwich.