What is control? Break it down Anna Brown!

[Someone here]

@Keyhole just let her go.  Don't like her.. Don't watch her. Life is so easy when you are smart and not a woman (jk lol ). 

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

 if I disliked someone it would be apparent. 

Indeed. 

[LastThursday]

7 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

My issue is that people market spirituality using low consciousness methods when they are themselves not where they claim to be, that people cannot distinguish between another human being authentically expressing a truth and another human being trying to market that truth.

I think I understand now. 

I suppose spirituality ought to be held up to a higher standard and shouldn't be commoditised and sold like cheap plastic tourist trinkets. I personally think it might be a "way in" to spirituality for a lot of people, so it has its uses.

I reckon most people don't have the refined discernment to be able to tell if they're being sold crap by a saccharine salesperson, they're just not aware enough - after all the majority of us are brainwashed by capitalist advertising. 

Thank God for people like Leo and others on here that produce more authentic content, it goes against the tide.

 

[SoonHei]

let ma gurl Anna preach broooooo

[mandyjw]

20 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

My issue is that people market spirituality using low consciousness methods when they are themselves not where they claim to be, that people cannot distinguish between another human being authentically expressing a truth and another human being trying to market that truth.

If you feel someone is authentic or inauthentic could be that they are... on a relative level. Could be that there's something in you coloring that judgement. You can tell by how the thought feels. If it feels like love it's a honest "judgement". They are what they are right now, so what's more authentic than that? We don't actually have to be concerned for others, just love. It's a huge relief to let it go. All else is fear and fear only comes from illusory separation. 

20 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

From that perspective you're correct but if we take it down a notch, the level the teacher is at transmits to the student.  Consciousness will initiate you into what you should be doing, and you will bring life into it.

Jenna Marbles transmits to her viewers all the same, but most of them haven't heard of this and are unconscious of it. She truly does though. The "guise" of spirituality brings with it thoughts of what spirituality should be. So if we view ourselves as spiritual we defend these ideals. Cat videos on youtube are given a free pass though. Why?

 

Edited May 20, 2020 by mandyjw

[Jacobsrw]

She knows the theory, the question is: is she internally established? One can only approximate and speculate.

Ive been following her for a short while and would indeed say her content is far more conducive than that of typical delusional entertainment and media propaganda.

However, appearances can be deceiving and most importantly I would suggest that the delivery of these messages necessitate careful consumption as they may become more tantalising than beneficial.

[mandyjw]

2 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

I suppose spirituality ought to be held up to a higher standard and shouldn't be commoditised and sold like cheap plastic tourist trinkets. I personally think it might be a "way in" to spirituality for a lot of people, so it has its uses.

Everyone who desires to awaken and wants others to awaken and moves in that direction makes it easier and easier for others to awaken. Now with youtube, and the websites and books online available just within the past few years, getting this "secret" information is common place. In fact people complain there are TOO MANY spiritual teachers. What an awesome problem to have! 

It's only when you're expecting something expensive and refined that getting something cheap instead disappoints you. 

[The observer]

30 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

I personally think it might be a "way in" to spirituality for a lot of people, so it has its uses.

Sly spiritual ego. Calling out control as illusory, yet using it to manipulate others. Why the double standard? Why? People don't need a way into spirituality. Spirituality is the only way there is. And even if we assume that spirituality is the right path out of all, we cannot force it on others by marketing it in clever ways. I was a Muslim, and my portal to spirituality was through atheism, paradoxical as it sounds.

[LastThursday]

@The observer you seem to have expanded my one sentence into eight of yours. Where did those extra words come from?

Anyway here goes:

1. I wasn't talking about control at all. I'm not sure where that came from.

2. I wasn't talking about anything being illusory. Where did that come from?

2. I wasn't manipulating, just giving my personal opinion, whether it was right or wrong.

3. What double standard? What are you talking about?

4. I wasn't talking about "forcing" anything. Marketing is marketing, there is no "forcing". Propaganda is forcing. Holding a gun to the head is forcing.

5. My use of the words "way in" is in double quotes for a reason. This is to indicate not a literal way in, like a gateway drug, but a suggestion that people may be guided towards increasing their own spiritual awareness - if they choose to do it for themselves.

6. I don't deny there are other ways to become more spiritual. Good. I'm glad for you.

7. Stop being sly yourself.

[The observer]

@LastThursday Relax. I wasn't talking about you. I was saying that the spiritual ego is justifying Anna's manipulation by using a double standard, i.e. by allowing her to deceive and giving her the right to manipulate.

[James123]

6 minutes ago, The observer said:

@LastThursday Relax. I wasn't talking about you. I was saying that the spiritual ego is justifying Anna's manipulation by using a double standard, i.e. by allowing her to deceive and giving her the right to manipulate.

Manipulating and spiritual ego makes us lost our way. Thats real luficer, knowing the truth, and manipulating  By the way i dont who manipulates who. Lol

Edited May 20, 2020 by James123

[LastThursday]

@The observer ok, but you have to be careful. You quoted me directly and talked about what I'd written - so I had to assume you were talking about me directly (you didn't mention Anna at all). Obviously, I'm not going to take it if someone puts words into my mouth. 

Anyway, no harm done. Carry on.

[Forestluv]

She is doing her best at her state of awareness

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

She is doing her best at her state of awareness

It doesn’t matter. No one can manipulate anyone. 

[Forestluv]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

It doesn’t matter. No one can manipulate anyone. 

The observation came from a place of innocence. You added in the part about manipulation and framed it. 

[The observer]

@Keyhole Is integration a final state? Or is it a work in progress kind of thing?

[DrewNows]

@The observer i would agree it is rather beginner-ish but may serve as a healthy reminder to some

@KeyholeYou seem to hold or practice healthy boundaries, i can respect that. They are your terms and conditions manipulating/distorting reality, unreal to what is. To see beyond the inner and outer welcomes all masks, but requires boundless awareness (residing as the undefined)

@JacobsrwPerhaps there is such thing as healthy skepticism if that is what feels necessary 

Oh BOY is right @Gili Trawangan I will have to share more often  

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

The observation came from a place of innocence. You added in the part about manipulation and framed it. 

I will do same thing for myself, if i manipulate other. There is no me, you or someone. In order to grow in spirituality, we have to be humble in first place, before even begin to spirituality. I am not judging her or him. This kind of behavior creates drama, and push people away from the truth. Look at from human perspective, not absolute. If you are looking from absolute to this perspective, you shouldn’t even involve. Everybody is doing them best 

[DrewNows]

1 hour ago, The observer said:

Sly spiritual ego. Calling out control as illusory, yet using it to manipulate others. Why the double standard? Why? People don't need a way into spirituality. Spirituality is the only way there is.

when one has receptivity to (what is) direct experience independent of conditions, "there is no objections to mask what is real" 

2 hours ago, mandyjw said:

That said, her hair is way prettier than mine. Bitch. 

Mine too!  

Please don't be offended i don't share your videos, mainly it is because you are here  

@James123I must say you are quite the handsome devil  (me likes your profile pic) 

Edited May 20, 2020 by DrewNows

[The observer]

1 minute ago, Keyhole said:

 

@The observer It goes on for as long as you're alive.

So, I guess in a sense if someone is not integrated enough, life will rule them out automatically since they won't find much encouragement. And in this case, you originally were simply stating the obvious by somehow reading into the future.