Body Consciousness - The waking state ego

[Preetom]

Try to notice it for next several times just after you wake up. Its clearly obvious when you have one of those dozing nap sessions where you wake up several times and fall back asleep again.

The body consciousness comes first. AFTER that, comes the package of memories, personality, perception, time etc.

In this way, you can verify the philosophy Ramana Maharshi expouded on the nature of ego. The body consciousness is simultaneously projected and taken as I, the ego. And the whole universe and knowledge come after that; as further projections happening in and through this body consciousness. 

All attachment, emotions, fear, delusion, knowledge, suffering are stored in this body consciousness aka the primal ego aka the poisoned apple aka this spurious limited self consciousness aka the devil.

 

[mandyjw]

The body exists within the mind, all experience is mind. 

[Preetom]

25 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

The body exists within the mind, all experience is mind. 

The appearance of body is in mind. What I am talking about is body consciousness which I guess you are labeling as mind.

[mandyjw]

13 minutes ago, Preetom said:

The appearance of body is in mind. What I am talking about is body consciousness which I guess you are labeling as mind.

Disclaimer: I'm not speaking as an authority on this, I'm putting it all together as I type. 

There is Mind (sort of like infinite intelligence) outside of what we assume or think of as our own minds. Your body exists within this Mind, which is actually the only mind that appears. I guess that's why the body appears to be the link. It appears to be the reason for our separate existence, it makes a great scapegoat. We don't feel as if we created our own bodies which is why we speak of God as a creator outside us. God is Mind. But we are God. You cannot be God and also claim the illusion of a mind that exists within Mind. Mind/God is imagination itself. It's not really there, there's nothing behind it to hold it up. 

Edited May 18, 2020 by mandyjw

[Member]

Body consciousness = physical body on autopilot?

[mandyjw]

24 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

We don't feel as if we created our own bodies

Feel is the wrong word, we don't believe we create our own bodies, we create them as we feel. Even using the word "feel" for what we actually mean... belief/think is more scapegoating.

[Preetom]

3 hours ago, Member said:

Body consciousness = physical body on autopilot?

Body consciousness= the experience of having a body/being located/having weight/being aware of a localized, visceral sensation.

Have you noticed that the body consciousness dictates the perception of the world?

when body consciousness is more solid, localized, heavy; the world appears as more and more materialistic/solid with fixed physical laws and boundaries.

when body consciousness is subtle or vague( like in dreams or by meditation) the world perception appears more fluid and less and less matter like.

again this body consciousness has nothing to do with the external appearance of the body

Edited May 18, 2020 by Preetom

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@Preetom  So do you think that the body consciousness has nothing to do with our material bodies? For example, can you transcend the actual form or bodily functions through meditation or mind altering substances? From my perspective, our body is intelligent enough to know when to wake up and keep the heart beating without any conscious effort, so we could say that body has its own consciousness without being self aware.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Member

[James123]

19 minutes ago, Member said:

 

@Preetom  So do you think that the body consciousness has nothing to do with our material bodies?

There is nothing in the body. Your body is autopilot. Where are you in the body? So thinking process occurs within consciousness, you think you are this body or you can think vs... when you dont think you realize that you really are. Thoughts makes you believe that you are this body, life is happening here, even thoughts created the language. Thoughts happens within you (consciousness). Not in the body.

[Member]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is nothing in the body. Your body is autopilot. Where are you in the body? So thinking process occurs within consciousness, you think you are this body or you can think vs... when you dont think you realize that you really are. Thoughts makes you believe that you are this body, life is happening here, even thoughts created the language. Thoughts happens within you (consciousness). Not in the body.

What are you if not your body? The self awareness makes you recognize your image in the mirror, while consciousness could have many definitions. I agree that consciousness could be expanded to many things but not everything has self awareness.

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Member said:

What are you if not your body? The self awareness makes you recognize your image in the mirror, while consciousness could have many definitions. I agree that consciousness could be expanded to many things but not everything has self awareness.

Just imagine that you get out of your body and you are in front of body and seeing yourself. So how can you see you have no body? Thats what you are, nothing but aware. And you are not seeing now , you are only aware , and you are the moment (you are everything as nothing what you see now). Thoughts makes you believe that you know the language, which provides that from the language you can learn, born, life is exist, you are seeing from your eyes (eyes has a ability to see) and you are your body. These are all thoughts you learn from someone. Thoughts are not exist. Thats why you are not the body or moving stuff. Me, you, language, table, air are all identical. All is one. 

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3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Just imagine that you get out of your body and you are in front of body and seeing yourself. So how can you see you have no body? Thats what you are, nothing but aware. And you are not seeing now , you are only aware , and you are the moment (you are everything as nothing what you see now). Thoughts makes you believe that you know the language, which provides that from the language you can learn, born, life is exist, you are seeing from your eyes (eyes has a ability to see) and you are your body. These are all thoughts you learn from someone. Thoughts are not exist. Thats why you are not the body or moving stuff. Me, you, language, table, air are all identical. All is one. 

When I'm looking in the mirror, I see an alien on the other side. It stares into my eyes and makes similar movements. Yet we can't shake hands. Is that my image or there's some weird entity trapped on the other side of the mirror?

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Member said:

When I'm looking in the mirror, I see an alien on the other side. It stares into my eyes and makes similar movements. Yet we can't shake hands. Is that my image or there's some weird entity trapped on the other side of the mirror?

Just imagine that you have no body and seeing as you seeing now. You will have become all place as nothing. Alien, mirror, your body all identical. When you look at the mirror, your mom, alien or chair, you are looking at yourself. 

[Preetom]

1 hour ago, Member said:

@Preetom 

5 hours ago, Preetom said:

1 hour ago, Member said:

@Preetom  So do you think that the body consciousness has nothing to do with our material bodies? For example, can you transcend the actual form or bodily functions through meditation or mind altering substances? From my perspective, our body is intelligent enough to know when to wake up and keep the heart beating without any conscious effort, so we could say that body has its own consciousness without being self aware.

We cannot make a category error by conflating subjective-objective perspectives. There are several ways of looking at this.

From purely experiential view, there is no body outside body consciousness. That means every night you fall asleep, your body is completely gone. It has no intelligence and nothing is happening behind the scenes. The sense ''I have a body and so and so" comes AFTER waking up along with the body consciousness. From this view, body consciousness has nothing to do with the form of the body. After all, its not possible to say you have 2 legs, 2 arms, brain, heart etc from body consciousness. That model of human body comes from objective appearance.

On the other hand, you could say there is relationship between subjective body consciousness and the material body. Just like a healthy brain will look different than a brain which suffered multiple concussions.

Also the material body doesn't have any individual intelligence per se. Its merely governed by the laws of mature it finds itself into. Just like your body might function differently in different dreams having different physical laws.

My point is this body consciousness is the heart of ego. It is the only ego there is. Without this body consciousness being present first, there is no perception or anything.  

Edited May 18, 2020 by Preetom

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1 minute ago, James123 said:

Just imagine that you have no body and seeing as you seeing now. You will have become all place as nothing. Alien, mirror, your body all identical. When you look at the mirror, your mom, alien or chair, you are looking at yourself. 

Do you experience oneness all the time, or it's just one of the thoughts that arise in the consciousness? I guess that these kind of experiences are not common or permanent and you still feel 'you' in your daily life.

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38 minutes ago, Preetom said:

My point is this body consciousness is the heart of ego. It is the only ego there is. Without this body consciousness being present first, there is no perception or anything.  

Do you think there's a way to shut down bodily senses such as meditation and experience ego death? And what would be the purpose of this, after all? I mean, we die anyway. Would that make us suffer less?

[James123]

1 hour ago, Member said:

Do you experience oneness all the time, or it's just one of the thoughts that arise in the consciousness? I guess that these kind of experiences are not common or permanent and you still feel 'you' in your daily life.

I do experience oneness usually, %80 of the time. Of course ego comes and try to take control (which is james lol). Thats what ego’s job is it has nothing to do  It is permanent. But, In order to stay at that level you have to not depend on money (so simple life style), meditate, and contemplate till you completely embody it. Like a child, you just born and learning how to be human, i just born and learning how to be god.  When thoughts arrives look at them, decide and let it go. Your one thought make you spend maybe hours to decide for your ego, mine takes max few minutes decide. Thats why if thoughts don’t stay you will realize what is the meaning of being aware and oneness. When you let go thoughts, you will realize how the body is moving by itself  lol

 

You are everything, what can you think? Even thoughts are you.

Edited May 18, 2020 by James123

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1 hour ago, James123 said:

I do experience oneness usually, %80 of the time. Of course ego comes and try to take control (which is james lol). Thats what ego’s job is it has nothing to do  It is permanent. But, In order to stay at that level you have to not depend on money (so simple life style), meditate, and contemplate till you completely embody it. Like a child, you just born and learning how to be human, i just born and learning how to be god.  When thoughts arrives look at them, decide and let it go. Your one thought make you spend maybe hours to decide for your ego, mine takes max few minutes decide. Thats why if thoughts don’t stay you will realize what is the meaning of being aware and oneness. When you let go thoughts, you will realize how the body is moving by itself  lol

You are everything, what can you think? Even thoughts are you.

Thanks for sharing I guess you must be a saint if you experience this 80% of the time because this sounds like some advanced stuff... and I guess it takes years of practice to reach to that level. Only a few times in my life I guess that I was able to feel something similar but it humbled me so much that I felt more like a ghost walking among humans. Lol. I will try to meditate more then as my mind is truly savage (last night I dreamed that a coconut did some magic to heal my body, so yeah, even though sometimes it's funny, other times it is not ).

Edited May 18, 2020 by Member

[James123]

28 minutes ago, Member said:

Thanks for sharing I guess you must be a saint if you experience this 80% of the time because this sounds like some advanced stuff... and I guess it takes years of practice to reach to that level. Only a few times in my life I guess that I was able to feel something similar but it humbled me so much that I felt more like a ghost walking among humans. Lol. 

Thats how it feels. I am your creation not a saint. I am just you. Whatever you see is your creation and you as nothing. Thats it. You are not a ghost, you are the creator. That feeling gives insight to you be more humble, understandable And lovely to people. Because they are all you.  Thats why love everything. You will become more closer to truth. 

Edited May 18, 2020 by James123