Death is final materialist argument.

[Member]

2 hours ago, Dylan Page said:

@Preetom @EternalForest but the problem is assuming that there is a basic block in the first place, and that there are blocks at all that have rules.

There are rules, otherwise you would start to disintegrate and there would be no "you" in the first place. What makes you believe that there is life after death?

Edited May 15, 2020 by Member

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Let's say I started to believe that I'm my coffee table.. I'm not this body-mind but rather I'm that coffee table.  Will I actually become the coffee table..?

There is no actually. All limited identities are imaginary.

Your identity is relative.

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If someone comes tomorrow and just destroys the coffee table into pieces I won't feel that "I" am being  destroyed. 

If you actually believed you were a coffee table, then you would feel that you are getting destroyed.

The problem here is that you are treating this matter purely theoretically. If you want to actually test it, become a coffee table first. Then let's swe how you feel about being sawed in half.

Of course you cannot do this because to do you'd have to drop your human identity. Which is the thing you will never allow to happen because your entire life hinges on it.

Appreciate how serious this is. You are treating it as some philosophy game. Yet this is real life. If I put a gun to your head you will really believe you will die. Therein lies the whole problem. Drop that!

[Someone here]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no actually. All limited identities are imaginary.

Your identity is relative.

If you actually believed you were a coffee table, then you would feel that you are getting destroyed.

The problem here is that you are treating this matter purely theoretically. If you want to actually test it, become a coffee table first. Then let's swe how you feel about being sawed in half.

Of course you cannot do this because to do you'd have to drop your human identity. Which is the thing you will never allow to happen because your entire life hinges on it.

Appreciate how serious this is. You are treating it as some philosophy game. Yet this is real life. If I put a gun to your head you will really believe you will die. Therein lies the whole problem. Drop that!

Leo I seriously want to understand you but there's something not fitting in my  mind with this whole thing. 

How can I become the coffee table? I can't no matter what I do!  If there's a method teach me (I assure you that I'm not trolling I'm being serious and open minded).  Does that imply I'm already not the coffee table? (that's why I have to become it first). 

It seems like there's a default identity (the human body mind) that is believed to be true.. If it's purely relative and imaginary and it can be switched easily why is it so consistent and appears to be fundamental and prior to one's beliefs of what they are?.  How can I drop my human identity?  Because thinking and imagining myself dropping it apparently doesn't work. 

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Leo I seriously want to understand you but there's something not fitting in my  mind with this whole thing.

You will never understand it in your present state.

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How can I become the coffee table? I can't no matter what I do! 

You already are the coffee table.

You are anything you see. Otherwise you could not see it.

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If there's a method teach me (I assure you that I'm not trolling I'm being serious and open minded). 

Take a psychedelic and look at a coffee table. You will quickly realize that it is you.

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It seems like there's a default identity (the human body mind) that is believed to be true.. If it's purely relative and imaginary and it can be switched easily why is it so consistent and appears to be fundamental and prior to one's beliefs of what they are?

It cannot be switched easily. Your mind will stubbornly resist it because your whole life hinges on it.

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How can I drop my human identity?  Because thinking and imagining myself dropping it apparently doesn't work. 

Psychedelics, yoga, self-inquiry, hardcore meditation, concentration, etc.

A change in your state of consciousness is required.

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You will never understand it in your present state.

You already are the coffee table.

You are anything you see. Otherwise you could not see it.

Take a psychedelic and look at a coffee table. You will quickly realize that it is you.

It cannot be switched easily. Your mind will stubbornly resist it because your whole life hinges on it.

Psychedelics, yoga, self-inquiry, hardcore meditation, concentration, etc.

A change in your state of consciousness is required.

OK thank you!