Argue Againts the Existence of Objective Reality

[Mert]

@Member There are things outside of your limited mind which is just a contraction of God's mind. But there is nothing outside God's mind.

[Mert]

@Leo Gura That's insane man. I might have to read meditations again just to see if that's the case. Good old Descartes would gain my full respect just for that one thing.

[Member]

48 minutes ago, Mert said:

@Member There are things outside of your limited mind which is just a contraction of God's mind. But there is nothing outside God's mind.

God has an inside but doesn't have an outside?

[Mert]

@Member What would be outside infinite? I understand your question but there is no internal or external fundamentally.

[WhatAWondefulWorld]

@Member the inside is the outside.

[Member]

1 minute ago, WhatAWondefulWorld said:

@Member the inside is the outside.

So that would basically mean that the outside reality is an inside function of myself?

[WhatAWondefulWorld]

3 minutes ago, Member said:

So that would basically mean that the outside reality is an inside function of myself?

@Member nope, thats all just concepts. Drop it all. there is nothing happening, this is all nothing, inside outside is all just mumbo jumbo, it's all one. Your whole sensory field, what you think is an external world, is all you, there is nothing but you, I am you talking to yourself.

[Member]

14 minutes ago, Mert said:

@Member What would be outside infinite? I understand your question but there is no internal or external fundamentally.

Outside infinite? LOL. If there is no internal or external, then reality is objective or subjective?

Edited May 15, 2020 by Member

[WhatAWondefulWorld]

@Member

1 minute ago, Member said:

Outside infinite? LOL. If there is no internal or external, then reality is objective or subjective?

The difference between objective and subjective isn't actually there, it's your mind projecting that. It's all one.

[Nak Khid]

1 hour ago, Nak Khid said:

However in Hinduism In order to attain Moksha (liberation), a human being must acquire self-knowledge (atma jnana), which is, according to Advaitins, to realize that one's true self (Ātman) is identical with the transcendent self Brahman.

The six orthodox schools of Hinduism believe that there is Ātman in every living being (jiva). This is a major point of difference with the Buddhist doctrine of Anatta, which holds that there is no self.

Leo who's right?  

 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It's just a difference in emphasis and formulation. There is little meaningful difference once you have some awakening.

 

please clarify about this statement

"everything is imaginary"

Do any of the following philosophies (or whatever you want to call them)  agree with this?

1) non-dualism  (non denominational) 

2) Vedanta

3) Buddhism 

4) Solipsism 

 

 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Mert said:

@Leo Gura That's insane man. I might have to read meditations again just to see if that's the case. Good old Descartes would gain my full respect just for that one thing.

Yes indeed i am going to take another look as well if i get the time.   I still respect the guy as one of the greatest philosophers ever.  But in the end i don't think he made the jump out of materialism.  He still felt reality was not a dream but rather was an objective, physical reality and not consciousness.   Did you study him?

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, Mert said:

@Nahm Depends on what you mean by "I". A person is never conscious. A person is in consciousness. But that is the "real you" so to speak. It doesn't have an identity. Yet has all the identities. It's God.

Existence, consciousness, does not depend on meaning. Meaning is illusory. 
‘A person is in consciousness‘, and ‘God has identities’ are dualities. 

[Mert]

@Inliytened1 Yes I studied him. Indeed he is a dualist. This is a no go. I pretty much disagree with him on every topic lol. But if he was referring to The Self/Consciousness which you can't get behind, only for that I would consider that very significant. I'm not sure though.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Mert said:

@Inliytened1 Yes I studied him. Indeed he is a dualist. This is a no go. I pretty much disagree with him on every topic lol. But if he was referring to The Self/Consciousness which you can't get behind, only for that I would consider that very significant. I'm not sure though.

Agreed not so sure...

[Mert]

@Nahm Chill bro why is everyone is playing this enlightened character. I'm just trying to make a point for him. All language is dualistic. You want the Truth here it is: "........"

[Nahm]

@Mert

Meaning is tricky. No need to shoot the messenger though. ?

[Member]

5 minutes ago, Mert said:

@Nahm Chill bro why is everyone is playing this enlightened character. I'm just trying to make a point for him. All language is dualistic. You want the Truth here it is: "........"

I share your point of view, actually I think you said something really interesting "A person is never conscious. A person is in consciousness.". But I still don't understand the subjective/objective reality. Leo says that everything is our imagination and that's true since no one can experience our subjective reality. However, there's also an objective reality that happens independent of our minds, right? So, is reality objective or subjective? Can someone explain that to me?

[WhatAWondefulWorld]

Honestly, I'm unsure whether there is an external universe, maybe there is but maybe not. All I can know is the raw data in my direct experience. None of which I can verify to be coming from a reality behind the scenes.

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, Member said:

I share your point of view, actually I think you said something really interesting "A person is never conscious. A person is in consciousness.". But I still don't understand the subjective/objective reality. Leo says that everything is our imagination and that's true since no one can experience our subjective reality. However, there's also an objective reality that happens independent of our minds, right? So, is reality objective or subjective? Can someone explain that to me?

The subjective/objective is in the context of whether or not there is a physical world out there.  If there were, reality (in terms of the realm of form) would be objective.  But this is not the case and can be discovered via awakening.  It can be discovered that the realm of form is an absolute relativity or an absolute subjectivity.    The only thing objective about it is it is 100 percent subjective.   

 

[Member]

9 minutes ago, WhatAWondefulWorld said:

Honestly, I'm unsure whether there is an external universe, maybe there is but maybe not. All I can know is the raw data in my direct experience. None of which I can verify to be coming from a reality behind the scenes.

Our subjective experiences create this objective reality at this very moment. Yay