Would hedonism lead to the best life possible under ideal conditions?

[assx95]

The ideal conditions are : Having infinite money and everything could be brought by money, even people. So access to all resources on Earth. So, having a great mansion with a lawn, pool, all amenities.  with all comforts, having the tastiest food possible, all pleasurable drugs. Not having to do any work. Not even dusting or cleaning dishes or anything. Having access to all paid porn sites, being a patron for customized fetish content. Paying women or men (in case you're a girl or gay) to get laid with almost every person you want to get laid with (those people who could be bought with money)

So, the priority of pleasures being sexual, and then video streaming (You Tube/Netflix/Movies) and then (Instagram/Tiktok/Reddit), using the body and the mind, for maximizing pleasure. No limit to how many times to fap, or to anything. Just following one ideal : Maximizing pleasure. 

Would this kind of hedonism lead to the best life possible? if no, why not? 

[Recursoinominado]

You would die of boredom and dissatisfaction.

Humans thrive on growth, authentic self-expression and contribution.

[Preety_India]

 

Nah, Unless you are looking to devolve into devilry. 

 

 

[Consept]

You could look at evidence for this, there are many people in the world that have all those things, try and workout whether they're truly happy. 

Or look at those who once seemed happy in that situation but have since renounced that life. Someone like Russel brand has had that kind of journey for example. There are quite a few that commit suicide even though they have that situation so that's another thing to consider 

[The observer]

10 hours ago, assx95 said:

one ideal : Maximizing pleasure. 

Would this kind of hedonism lead to the best life possible? if no, why not? 

It definitely could, but it depends on the person. If I was hedonistic and enlightened, then yes, it would. If I was ignorant like most people, then no, it would lead to hell.

I have tested it personally. I lived like that for a few months in the last year, and I would have never asked for more. I could have lived like that forever. Right now, I'm not enlightened like I was last year, so it would take some effort to get there. But the key is enlightenment, not hedonism. Even though enlightenment has a lot to do with your lifestyle. You know, it's much easier to be enlightened when you don't have to worry about your business and other things.

[Enlightenment]

@assx95 A lot of happiness is genetic. You may still get bored and suicidally depressed if you're prone to it.

Best/most hedonistic life would be:

1) being in a persistent state of no-self

2) elite meditation skills (maintaining totally unified mind)

3) elite genetics in terms of low neuroticism and high extraversion

4) all the things you have described 

[Carl-Richard]

@assx95 Look to the real world:

The external conditions have been getting better and better, but our mental health has been getting worse and worse.

Buddha only pursued enlightenment because he had everything he could ever want as a prince, but he was still miserable.

Psychatrists will tell you that being rich and successful will not protect you against suffering.

Neuroscience will tell you that your brain gets adapted to repeated stimuli and overtime lessens its effect. 

Physical pleasure is only experienced relative to physical pain, therefore hedonism is bound to fail. That is why spirituality exists.

Edited May 13, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[assx95]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Physical pleasure is only experienced relative to physical pain, therefore hedonism is bound to fail. That is why spirituality exists

Wait, physical pleasure is relative?  I have only experienced it as an absolute. 

[Carl-Richard]

@assx95 Try masturbating every 10 minutes and see how that source of pleasure quickly fades. Try eating cake for every meal for a week. Conversely, try sitting in a sauna until your skin starts burning and then take a cold shower, and compare that to taking a cold shower without being warm. The world is experienced through opposites. Unlike hedonism, real spirituality isn't about maximizing physical pleasure, but it's about accepting the ever-changing nature of life; to beautifully walk the line between the opposites. That is why spirituality leads to growth and resilience to life's challenges while hedonism leads to stagnation.

[The observer]

14 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

@assx95 

Physical pleasure is only experienced relative to physical pain, therefore hedonism is bound to fail. That is why spirituality exists.

Dude, you have no idea. Seriously.

I've lived in a complete non-dual state for a couple of months last year. It was all about surrendering. The depth of pleasure that I've experienced is beyond description. I'd given up all my desires and merged with God. There was only love. I'd never really tasted food before! I'd never really watched a sunset before! Dude, I'm telling ya. There was nothing but pleasure. It was pure paradise. Every day I would go for a walk and melt from the love and beauty that I'd experience.

But you're right that spirituality exists for this reason. It's not that I decided to become hedonistic. But rather that I'd given up everything, literally. I'd given up life, and I got paradise in return.

Now I'm far from there. It took me a huge amount of suffering to get me to surrender to that level. My ego had to be broken and humiliated until annihilation. If I could have my life figured out right now, I would try to attempt another enlightenment experience.

[Carl-Richard]

@The observer That's why I called it "physical" pleasure. You tapped into what I would define as spiritual pleasure, which is unconditional and absolute, and that arises from surrendering like you said, rather than chasing some temporary state of pleasure. Even so, you said that it took a lot of suffering to get there. Only through immense suffering and tension, you were able to reach peace.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[The observer]

@Carl-Richard then perhaps I misinterpreted what you said. I'm sorry.

[Carl-Richard]

@The observer No problem

[mandyjw]

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