Is there any asociative psychedelic?

[freeman194673]

There are disociatives.

I was wondering if there are asociative drugs, which do the opposite to disociatives, help you to reconect with this reality or connect to a deeper level.

I have depersonalization/derealization and was wondering if there is any drug that could help me get rid of it?.

Thank you

 

[outlandish]

I don't think there will be a drug that will help you get rid of this depersonalization/derealization, at least I don't know of one.

I do find that the experience of many psychedelics in the medium dose range can be very associative and grounding. Whether you can bring this into kind of experience into your real life is up in the air, and not guaranteed. I wouldn't recommend it as a treatment because it could go the wrong way too, depending on your personality and psychedelic aptitude. But I know that personally, I usually come out of these medium-dosage experiences more connected to my reality, my family, friends, life. It's not so much a long term pharmaceutical fix for depersonalization, as a grounding, insightful experience that can change your perspective on life, or remind you of what's important, who you are, what your purpose is in life.

By medium, I mean like 40-100ug doses of LSD, 1-2g mushrooms, that kind of thing.

[freeman194673]

@outlandish Okay but can these psychedelics help me overcome my porn addiction?
I have it for 10 years and I think that it caused depersonalization.

[outlandish]

They won't cure it for you, but they might help give you the power to overcome it yourself.

[Nahm]

@freeman194673

Connecting with reality = love & truth. 

Disconnecting with reality = Ignor-ance of feeling & holding beliefs about yourself.

“I have depersonalization / derealization” & “I have porn addiction” are beliefs. 

A psychedelic would ‘peel these beliefs away’ temporarily, thus, you’d feel more ‘connected’. 

 

Also, you can inspect the beliefs, see how & why you created & identified with them, revealing why you’re choosing this behavior, and thus feel more connected. The feelings that were suppressed will arise, and if you let go & relax, they’ll purify out of the body & mind. Misunderstanding will ‘exit’, and understanding will arise. 

 

If you continue to tell the story of your disempowerment, you’ll continue believing about yourself, that which is not true. Not-true = doesn’t feel good.

What is true about you, is love. So another approach, would be to love yourself, love porn, love yourself using porn, love every actor and actress you see in porn, appreciate the work that they do, and thus root out your own beliefs and judgements. Ten years of ignoring feeling can leads to all kinds of beliefs, but a belief, is not true. You can believe those things about yourself, but they will never actually be true. “The truth shall set you free” indeed. The initial reaction to reading this will likely be combative, that I don’t understand, etc. “Sit with it”, see that it passes, and that you are fine. Don’t fear feeling your feelings, sit and experience feeling. When you do, to the extent you do, what’s revealed is the beliefs, and that the truth is always that you have nothing to fear. One can not ‘get rid’ of what one is unconsciously creating, but one can certainly become conscious of one’s creating. 

[freeman194673]

@Nahm

19 hours ago, Nahm said:

 feel more connected.

I've seen that you emphasise beliefs and feeling.

It is like a person who got blind recently would come at you and tell you I got blind can you help me?

And you're telling him that this is a belief that he holds about himself,the belief of "I am blind".

Is not about the belief but about the fact that he got blind.

19 hours ago, Nahm said:

“Sit with it”, see that it passes

blindness won't go away by itself, it requires surgery or it is permanent.

Same for mental illness like derealization.

19 hours ago, Nahm said:

Don’t fear feeling your feelings, sit and experience feeling.

I know..this is why I haven't kill myself in the last 5 years.

Probably that you need to read more about mental illness,it is not an illusion and you're telling me to drop my beliefs about it,as it would magically cure it somehow,which is superficial advice.

19 hours ago, Nahm said:

and that the truth is always that you have nothing to fear.

is not that I fear it,it's that I want to get rid of it.

I can't get rid of my porn addiction because I cannot find the positive motivation to get rid of it.

I am just caught in this downwards spiral to hell for eternity.

20 hours ago, Nahm said:

Disconnecting with reality = Ignor-ance of feeling & holding beliefs about yourself.

no,derealization is not about that,is not a belief,I told you,please search more about it,its really crippling,you feel like youre caught in heaven(hell) all the time,in a bad trip,and you don't feel grounded,and the reality is as vivid as a dream.

[DreamScape]

Yo for me, it was an emotional problem based on 'not wanting to be here' that was rooted in safety issues with my mom.. not sure what it is in your case, but healinf this is reassociafing me in my body to where reality is starting to feel real again, and I'm starting to feel in my body again. Maybe this can help

[Nahm]

23 minutes ago, freeman194673 said:

It is like a person who got blind recently

No. 

24 minutes ago, freeman194673 said:

blindness won't go away by itself, it requires surgery or it is permanent.

Same for mental illness like derealization.

Pursue what is best for you. Take advantage of every resource available. 

27 minutes ago, freeman194673 said:

Probably that you need to read more about mental illness,it is not an illusion and you're telling me to drop my beliefs about it,as it would magically cure it somehow,which is superficial advice.

I didn’t say it’s an illusion, nor that the beliefs to be dropped are mental illness. If this advice isn’t resonating, or is superficial, just ignore it. My apologies. I sincerely wish you the best. 

29 minutes ago, freeman194673 said:

is not that I fear it,it's that I want to get rid of it.

I can't get rid of my porn addiction because I cannot find the positive motivation to get rid of it.

I am just caught in this downwards spiral to hell for eternity

Wanting to get rid of something is fear. See what it is, which you fear, and there isn’t fear ‘there’. If you say you can not find the motivation and are caught in this downwards spiral to hell for eternity, and I say you can - you win, because it’s, well, you. 

31 minutes ago, freeman194673 said:

no,derealization is not about that,is not a belief,I told you,please search more about it,its really crippling,you feel like youre caught in heaven(hell) all the time,in a bad trip,and you don't feel grounded,and the reality is as vivid as a dream.

This can’t really be furthered in text, the form of communication is too limiting. If you ever want to skype just let me know. Might be helpful to you, might not. We are ‘worlds apart’ so to speak. Those ‘worlds’ coming together could be powerful for you, but it’s not going to transpire in text alone. Again, I wish you all the best, and suggest you pursue all resources. 

[freeman194673]

On 5/9/2020 at 7:15 PM, Nahm said:

I didn’t say it’s an illusion

you said that it is a belief,as it is not real,as I am making it up.

Even if I don't hold the belief that I have derealization,I will still have it,Ignoring it won't make it any better.

Even if I would dissolve my ego,I don't think that it would cure it. I don't understant why you think that this is ego related.

I am very calm with derealization,although most people who have it freak out.

On 5/9/2020 at 7:15 PM, Nahm said:

Wanting to get rid of something is fear

Excuse me?Why? Why is wanting to get rid of mental addiction a fear?

How is wanting a better life,one with hapiness instead of sadness,cosidered fear?

On 5/9/2020 at 7:15 PM, Nahm said:

which you fear

I don't fear anything in particular,I am so deep in this depersonalization state that I don't fear dead too much,this reality feels like a dream anyway and I don't take it in serious because of this reason.

 

On 5/9/2020 at 7:15 PM, Nahm said:

If you say you can not find the motivation and are caught in this downwards spiral to hell for eternity, and I say you can - you win, because it’s, well, you.

I don't know how to interpret that.

You're telling me to be happy because I'm fucking up my life?

Something like "yeey,I am a cocaine addict,I win,bravo me!!"

I can't see the things from your point of view.

It's kinda the opposite,I lose against myself.

On 5/9/2020 at 7:15 PM, Nahm said:

If you ever want to skype just let me know.

okay,I will take this into consideration,I will let you know.

 

On 5/9/2020 at 7:15 PM, Nahm said:

gain, I wish you all the best, and suggest you pursue all resources

Thank you mate! You are very kind!

[Heaven]

@Nahm I see a lot of wisdom in ur words. Thank u.

 

[Red-White-Light]

@freeman194673 It goes away on it’s own. 

[Nahm]

7 hours ago, freeman194673 said:

you said that it is a belief,as it is not real,as I am making it up.

Notice I said it’s a belief about yourself that you can inspect & ‘see through’, and you’re telling me I said something else...that’s it’s illusory, that it’s not real etc. This is attempting to control me via spinning what I’m saying to be your narrative. It’s just not, sorry. When you attempt to control, you isolate yourself via the perspective of separate selves. Rather than humbly inspect this behavior, you’ve labelled the feeling. But the feeling is your savior, your guidance, your very lifeline of love. When you are willing to listen, you begin to liberate moving beyond this stage. When you pretend not to hear what someone says, and instead tell them what they said - you’re reinforcing your belief, which doesn’t even feel good to you. It is understandably difficult for you to talk to someone who sees the belief for what it is, and simple says, no thank you. I feel for you, and offered some words & sentiment in hopes it helped you consider a different perspective. I hear you clearly, that you are not interested. That’s ok, no worries. If you change your mind and want to talk together, just let me know. 

7 hours ago, freeman194673 said:

Even if I don't hold the belief that I have derealization,I will still have it,Ignoring it won't make it any better.

Yes, definitely inspect & understand it. Don’t ignore what’s going on with you. Remove the label, and see what’s really going on. 

7 hours ago, freeman194673 said:

Even if I would dissolve my ego,I don't think that it would cure it. I don't understant why you think that this is ego related.

Ego is a write off. I don’t believe you’ll progress talking about it. It’s popular, it’s widely supported, but it’s a label. Yes, I’m aware this is not “the normal way of seeing such matters”. Labels are like hoods of cars. Look under them to see what’s really going on. Be willing to ‘get dirty’, be willing to feel. 

7 hours ago, freeman194673 said:

I am very calm with derealization,although most people who have it freak out.

Sometimes “freaking out” is someone expressing some pent up emotions. It can be healing, releasing. Also, sometimes it’s not. Especially when directed at another. I’d choose freaking out and feeling the love that I am, over calmly suffering any given day. 

7 hours ago, freeman194673 said:

Excuse me?Why? Why is wanting to get rid of mental addiction a fear?

How is wanting a better life,one with hapiness instead of sadness,cosidered fear?

I don't fear anything in particular,I am so deep in this depersonalization state that I don't fear dead too much,this reality feels like a dream anyway and I don't take it in serious because of this reason.

“Mental addiction” is a covering label. It covers the simplicity up, of one thinking to avoid feeling. Love is labelled, feeling is avoided, “fear” “addiction” “depersonalization”, etc, are the labels. It’s innocent, it’s truly not your fault. Literally. You can not be expected to understand what you do not understand. But your can inspect what you do not understand, but this requires your acknowledgement within yourself - that you don’t presently understand. I hope you can hear that through any arising deflections or reassertion of existing perspectives & beliefs. You’d have to at least consider, that I’m sitting here loving you, not judging you or wanting to be right about this conversation. I just want you to know your self, the love that you really are, and feel the peace and happiness that is present.  Notice the world of healthcare at large is driven by money, not helping anyone. People intrinsically want to help each other, but that their income - that help - is funded, are so they are captive. I am not. I can tell you what I feel to be the truth, and I don’t give a fuck what anyone says. Sometimes of course, I’m wrong af. So it’s always in any case, up to you to ‘save yourself’. You have to flip that script for yourself. Put your well being above all. Wanting a better life is fine, great, Awesome - no problem. Allow no thing or thought to hold you back.  

One of the most common themes around is the shifting of the fear of living to one’s fullest potential, being open & loving in relationships, being humble, being exactly at everyone else’s level, simply enjoying the experience, and realizing one’s dreams... - ....to matters of the existential, hiding oneself away by literally believing one is right, and above others in any way. When one isn’t seeing this, one employs many labels, and tells others what they said. Consider, for one who listens - there is no need to tell anyone what they said. 

7 hours ago, freeman194673 said:

“If you say you can not find the motivation and are caught in this downwards spiral to hell for eternity, and I say you can - you win, because it’s, well, you.”

I don't know how to interpret that.

You're telling me to be happy because I'm fucking up my life?

Something like "yeey,I am a cocaine addict,I win,bravo me!!"

No, I’m telling you - that you are telling a story about yourself, your life, this world...and you are experiencing that story. When you choose to be humble, open minded - and tell a new story - you’ll see that you experience that story. It’s fucking amazing, but you gotta see it for yourself. This means experiencing some karma. Misunderstanding is let go, it empties out, and understanding can arise, and fill you up. Understanding = love. Gotta see that for yourself though. Thought’s about it won’t do. 

7 hours ago, freeman194673 said:

I can't see the things from your point of view.

That’s highly arguable. In one way, yes, of course, obviously. In another way, if we had some conversation together, you experience the difference between our views on things. This presents you with new options, of new ways of looking at things. The choice in all cases, is always up to you. Please keep in mind, ‘how I am’, ‘how I feel’, ‘where I’m coming from with what is said here’ - presently...is 100% projection. That is not to say it’s fault, or something you’re doing. Reading these words, in comparison to seeing each other, hearing each other... these are two very very different experiences. I am happy to chat anytime, but I have no interest in any ‘going back & fourth’ with words on a page, because it doesn’t really help you, other than baring the potential of your choosing something new, something different, to heal, to love, to let go, to ‘see’ anew. 

7 hours ago, freeman194673 said:

It's kinda the opposite,I lose against myself.

I know how that is. I did it too. It’s a ‘can’t win’ game man. Gots to love you. For what it’s worth, a place is uncovered within, where you’ve let quite a bit go, and you, in hindsight - can actually love & laugh about this. No offense, that likely ain’t gonna be today, but that day can come. It’s a tricky thing - you can never ‘get there’, but it can come to you, if you let it. 

7 hours ago, freeman194673 said:

okay,I will take this into consideration,I will let you know.

Thank you mate! You are very kind!

Here we can see that we can see things from ‘each others’ point of view. You are kind, loving, understanding, forgiving, accepting, and an all around solidly good & well intending person. You want nothing more than to be the living expression of the true love that you are. We are exactly the same. 

[Nahm]

@Heaven

Classic Heaven. 

♥️??

[Carl-Richard]

I read somewhere that a guy cured his depersonalization by doing intense and prolonged biking cardio exercise. I have no idea though.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Carl-Richard