Koeke

Underaged Psychedelic Use

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So I have been a big fan of Leo's videos for nine months or so and have been meditating daily using the do nothing technique since August 2019. I kept upping the time and am currently at an hour everyday. But because of the corona virus I do three hours. I also do shamanic breathing, journal, am attempting to lucid dream and read self-help books.

I am currently 18 years old and took my first psychedelic when I was 14. I did half a tray of magic mushrooms (low dose), the kind you can buy in smart shops in the Netherlands. I did that three times. All three of those went relatively well and one of those was really special and magical because I really bonded with a friend of mine. 
So a few years later, a month before my seventeenth birthday I took LSD and life started to feel magical again. Prior to the trip I felt lonely and depressed for a year. The months ahead I kept telling myself how beautiful mundane things are, I was trying to conceptualise my way to finding things beautiful. At times it felt fake but at a deep level, I did believe it. Ever since this trip I have taken LSD every couple of months while upping the dose every couple of times. 

My second to last trip (200 micrograms) two months ago I had, what I think must be, a glimpse of the Truth. (You can skip this part if it's too long: Beforehand I meditated for one and a half hours. Two hours into the trip I felt like I was going crazy. But I didn't panic at all. I don't remember what I was thinking about because I trusted my intuition so much that I didn't explicate what I was thinking. Meaning that I barely said any words internally, sometimes one or two words. 
Then I realized that I am extremely identified with my inner voice and that I am not it, even though I have heard that before I kinda glossed over it. I realized that my voice was the one thing that made me feel like I wasn't going insane and that it carried my way (by conceptualizing) through the freakiness of tripping, and that that was the case for all my ten prior trips. So then I pondered the question of what I am. I remembered enlightened people saying that the answer was right in front of you. So I sat there for a few seconds and then I suddenly said to myself: "Of course!" Language was completely out of it. My comprehension wasn't some type of logic, it was just suddenly utterly clear. It felt like it was the most pure form of reality I had ever experienced. But it only lasted for about five seconds. I was mostly in awe for those five seconds, so I didn't learn a specific lesson from it.) 
Last week I took 250 micrograms and after 20 minutes while still meditating I noticed for the first time that come up anxiety is just your ego adjusting to the altered state. I couldn't sit still and the fear made my mind rehash earlier found theories. I wasn't basing it on the present moment, they were just ideas. This, again, made me feel crazy so I based everything on actuality. At this point it started to feel like last time. So I just soaked in the fear and  after another fifteen minutes I realized that I was God. I have been an atheist/agnostic my whole life. I think there are many more layers of understanding God and sometimes I caught myself identifying with the man in the clouds because those images made so much sense. But I was aware that God is much more than that and that it is infinite Self-love and I was everything and nothing. I revisited a similar state to the one I was in during the trip before this one.

Psychedelics have helped me so much: they helped me let go of stupid theories and closed-mindedness, created motivation for self-actualisation, sparked interest and wonder for life, created better emotional well-being and made me love myself and others more. 
Leo says you shouldn't do psychedelics before 21 because you aren't mature enough. According to that reasoning I am unable to see why. So can anyone explain it to me? Are there any specific psychedelics I should abstain from such as 5-MeO-DMT? If so, why?
All comments are appreciated! :)

I also want to make it clear that I am still doing actual normal life stuff, such as graduating (the Dutch equivalent to) high school, going to study philosophy at university next year, having a part time job, learning to play guitar and piano, putting in effort to make friends (even though I'm not the best at this) and working on strengthening my ego. Normal life is the juiciest.
 

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Welcome to the forum!

Great to hear that psychedelics work for you.

I started with psychedelics at 28 and I don't think I am late to the party ?

If it works for you in such age - great, continue working with such amazing tools. 5meo is a bit special...um... but who am I to tell you what to do, follow your heart. ?


What a dream, what a joke, love it   :x

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On 3-5-2020 at 0:09 PM, Dutch guy said:

5 meo dmt is so risky if not done fully correctly. Such a microscopic dose for example. For example the first and second attempt  dont work due to not fully correct administration and the person is impatient adds a little more on feeling and does it correctly the third time. The massive dose kicks in and then it's ready for the hospital. If children are aloud to do it, there would be so much problems. More bad stuff than good stuff. In an ideal world with studies and a qualified helper it would maybe be possible.

If I were to do 5-MeO-DMT I would do it safely, of course. I would test it, buy a proper scale, first take a very small dose and gradually build it up.

Could you expand on your point about doing it correctly because you only talk about being careful with your dosing method and that if kids were to do it they would need a qualified helper. I get that it's hard too explain a psychedelic but I would appreciate it if you would try to illustrate what is so dangerous about 5 meo and what it means to do it correctly. Apart from the reasons you discussed. I am not going to take your word for it.

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