Possible explanation for requiring more drug than usual?

[electroBeam]

Didn't know whether this went into self actualization, health or this sub group, but because I'm using these drugs for meditative purposes, makes sense it goes here.

For a lot of drugs I take, both prescription and non prescription, I need to take a very large does for it to be effective.

For example, I tried taking 2 tablets of pharma GABA a day for a week and dismissed it because I didn't feel anything. Out of the blue, I thought what would happen if I took 5 a day. I did that and finally felt results. Now I take 5 tablets of pharma GABA whenever I feel a bit ADHD or am having extremely bad concentration issues during meditation. 

Its the same with melatonin. If I take 1 to 2 tablets to fall asleep, nothing happens. I need to take 4 or even more tablets to feel effects (I of course don't tell my doctor I take this much).

To get drunk I also need 16 glasses, below that and the effects are tiny. 

This just strikes me as a possible health condition. Anyone know of any resources to look up to see how to overcome this issue?

This also suggests that I will need 4x the amount of psychedelics as the average person to get the same effects. So when I try shrooms, if the average person needs 2 grams, I'll probably need 8. 

[Verdesbird]

9 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

So when I try shrooms, if the average person needs 2 grams, I'll probably need 8. 

you will only need 5 grams dried in the silent darkness

[Mafortu]

I too have a high tolerance to any mind-altering substances, it sucks, maybe its the genes or maybe its because I didn't touch alcohol or THC until the age of 28 so maybe my brain wasnt weakened by constant abuse like my peers did.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Mafortu

[AlphaAbundance]

@Mafortu I believe that works the other way around

[DIDego]

A thought from my own battle with ego issues, i go for the first answer that my gut feeling came up with.

Is it possible that you got a hard shell "control" layer and you might need give your self "lower the guard permission".

Then maybe get less of a struggle, to allow your self enter that deep you want easier?

[electroBeam]

wow pharma gaba is hallucinogenic at high doses(6 tablets or more). Great stuff.

Did an hour of meditation and it felt like 3 minutes. Entire time I was in pure white light. That's never happened without pharma gaba.

Edited May 1, 2020 by electroBeam

[Aaron p]

@electroBeam i too have an extremely high tolerance for all substances. I smoked 15 mg of 5meo recently, sure I felt my reality morph and change a bit but not much. Even with alcohol and all, it takes so much 

[electroBeam]

27 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

@electroBeam i too have an extremely high tolerance for all substances. I smoked 15 mg of 5meo recently, sure I felt my reality morph and change a bit but not much. Even with alcohol and all, it takes so much 

yeah we must just be lucky. 

[Waken]

For my own curiosity, do you feel healthy, eat healthy, live healthy (not much stress, etc)?

[Aaron p]

@electroBeam oh I don't like having a high tolerance, it just means you need to spend more money on drugs and alcohol haha. Even though I don't really do that anymore now haha

[electroBeam]

20 minutes ago, Waken said:

For my own curiosity, do you feel healthy, eat healthy, live healthy (not much stress, etc)?

I eat eggs, tuna, vegetables like onion daily (for breakfast lunch and dinner, im a bit boring). And possibly some keto/low carb brownies once a day. I also blend fruit and make juice and drink tha daily. I drink blended fruits like strawberries or raspberries.

In the past I just didn't have the time to  meditate because I was focused entirely on career but this year started meditating between 30 minutes to 2 hours a day.

I excersise every 1 to 3 days depending on how busy I am.

My life is highly stressful because I am a startup founder that works monday to sunday 14 hours a day usually. Which means I'm the one responsible for my company, and its a deeply technical company which means lots of R&D cost and hard to commercialise stuff in time.

I don't feel healthy. I have compulsive thoughts, aches all over my body, and am always in the shit at work. But I eat healthy and meditate. Not much more you can do. There's also strong evidence I have disorders like ADHD, autism and dyslexia. Although haven't been formally diagnosed with each. 

I tend to just drive myself through all my problems. Hence why I'm pretty hard core with doses. If I struggle with meditation, I'll just drive concentration to the point that the struggle dissolves. If I have investors wanting something done tomorrow morning, I'll just drive myself to get it done. And if tablets aren't working, I'll up the dose till it works, which tends to be 4 to 6 tablets when you should take 1(so 4 to 6x what's prescribed)

Edited May 1, 2020 by electroBeam

[Nahm]

@electroBeam Why do anything, even the first thing, about the thoughts, focus, attention, concentration, etc? What’s the ‘end game’? Why do you honestly do this? 

(Bold approach. Feel free to ignore.)

[Waken]

@electroBeam Alright, thank you. I was curious as to if you're lifestyle and way of being could be a (partial) cause for low sensitivity to such things.

Sidenote: Sadhguru once mentioned that unions could make your system more insensitive

It does seem like you're living a bit of a fast-paced and stressed life, which maybe is related to it?
 

 

 

 

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I don't feel healthy. I have compulsive thoughts, aches all over my body, and am always in the shit at work. But I eat healthy and meditate. Not much more you can do.

Well surely, you could start BEING more healthy, instead of trying to DO more of what you think is healthy here in there. Because it doesn't sound like you're being very sensitive to your own body, but driving it quite relentlessly to do your bidding. And now you notice your body isn't reacting sensitively to the chemicals, hmmm. I don't have much experience with these things myself, but it does seem like there could be a link there lol

Edited May 1, 2020 by Waken

[electroBeam]

12 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@electroBeam Why do anything, even the first thing, about the thoughts, focus, attention, concentration, etc? What’s the ‘end game’? Why do you honestly do this? 

hmmmmmmmmmm.

I'll give ya bold answer back lol. Probably better this answer then to give you some generic bullshit like oh i want to be successful or a good little meditator.

There's 2 main things going on. Meditation(focus, attention, concentration) and thoughts.

When I ask myself and inspect why I do this. The answer that seems quite authentic is the following:

There's a 'fight' or competition between 2 sides of a pendulum. The first is to drop all thoughts and dissolve into nothing. To expand, be unlimited, be infinite.

The 2nd is a desire to create. To ejaculate or let out 'shakti' or pure creative energy. Its like sex, you leave it in and the energy builds and wants to be let out. Its hard to get any deeper than that, but its a love for form. A love for contributing or creating form. Like creating beautiful masterpieces.

When I go hardcore with the first, the shakti builds up, and wants to be let out. And so i swing to going hardcore at my work. Then after going hardcore at my work, a depression from limitation lingers. Its like yes form is beautiful, but you've gotten too immersed in limitation and form, time to drop it. 

Also just doing meditation all day doesn't feel quite right. It feels like without creation, I don't know, its not how its meant to be.

And so I flop between these 2. Last year I flopped between these 2 by working hardcore for 2 weeks, then working less and meditating hardcore. This year I'm doing meditation and lots of work on a daily basis, and so now the flip happens daily. Which is much better because the depression and building up of shakti is more balanced. But its still pretty darn hard for me to balance it. Naturally I feel like oscillating between saying fuck you to meditation and fuck you to work every 2 weeks. Who knows maybe I have a mental condition.

 

Of course there's also egoic survival needs like making money. But really when i think about my biggest challenge, its forging a life that can balance these 2 pendulums. If I do a job that doesn't allow me to express formlessness's beauty, and doesn't allow me to meditate, its not an ideal life. And so my end game is to have such a life. That could mean a career as an inventor(what im doing now) where I express formlessness's beauty through inventive ideas, or it could mean a game developer, etc.

[electroBeam]

18 minutes ago, Waken said:

@electroBeam Alright, thank you. I was curious as to if you're lifestyle and way of being could be a (partial) cause for low sensitivity to such things.

Sidenote: Sadhguru once mentioned that unions could make your system more insensitive

It does seem like you're living a bit of a fast-paced and stressed life, which maybe is related to it?
 

Well surely, you could start BEING more healthy, instead of trying to DO more of what you think is healthy here in there. Because it doesn't sound like you're being very sensitive to your own body, but driving it quite relentlessly to do your bidding. And now you notice your body isn't reacting sensitively to the chemicals, hmmm. I don't have much experience with these things myself, but it does seem like there could be a link there lol

yeah, I get what ya saying hahaha. Probably true. Through my diet I've knocked down a lot of things like aches and focusing issues. 

My body is a tough nut. You try a lot of things and you still have problems. It needs some professional work like reiki work. Ive even gone to western nutritionists and forget itm They are more hopeless then yourself. They put me on a low carb diet and I felt worse. Body was trying to tell me that reducing a macro nutrient is not how you nourish your body. Lol. Don't tell the keto fans that, they will smadh you.

I think I didn't go much further in the past because I have bigger things to worry about like getting my career sorted.

[Waken]

47 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

yeah, I get what ya saying hahaha. Probably true. Through my diet I've knocked down a lot of things like aches and focusing issues. 

My body is a tough nut. You try a lot of things and you still have problems. It needs some professional work like reiki work. Ive even gone to western nutritionists and forget itm They are more hopeless then yourself. They put me on a low carb diet and I felt worse. Body was trying to tell me that reducing a macro nutrient is not how you nourish your body. Lol. Don't tell the keto fans that, they will smadh you.

I think I didn't go much further in the past because I have bigger things to worry about like getting my career sorted.

Got you. I suppose all bodies are though nuts. most of us, keeping putting stuff in it that is absolutely not good for it, putting it under all sort of tensions like stress, etc. Maybe it will bravely keep going on for as long as it can, but then health issues might come up after some time. 
I once heard 'The Wonders' say -what is a channeled consciousness- that the body was designed to last for 10.444 years. Sounds nuts to most people probably though
And lol yes, seems to me also that most health experts don't really have a clue either. In my opinion, a health expert would be an expert in listening to his/hers body, and not so much, or not at all, relying on scientific studies.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Waken

[Nahm]

@electroBeam

Loving that answer. I see what you’re saying ...infinite being, unconditional love “at one end”.....survival, business, choices, responsibilities “at the other end”. The change you mentioned of meditation (the middle way) every day is most ideal. Hopefully this practice is first thing in the morning before anything else, before the activity of the mind even begins. That way, resistant thoughts are easily recognized. Where are you at (just to communicate) with the question - why are some thoughts resistant? (As in, don’t resonate with feeling)

[Leo Gura]

People have different genetics, different metabolisms, and different brain chemistry. When will this be appreciated??

[WHO IS]

You are talking to Yourself, Leo. 

[Enlightenment]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

People have different genetics, different metabolisms, and different brain chemistry. When will this be appreciated??

Wait, I thought the brain doesn't exist