so compulsive thinkers are doomed spiritually?

[Nak Khid]

1 hour ago, NoN-RaTiOnAL said:

thanks for the detailed explanation buddy. yeah thats what i do, i just dont get any results as far as concentration goes.. 
yep maybe i should consider some 5meo :-)

what would be evidence of results? 

and what is the specific problem you are having? You can't complete tasks which you you planned to do? 

[Leo Gura]

@NoN-RaTiOnAL Optimizing your health and brain-chemistry might also be an important factor for you.

The brain's gotta be functioning well in order to succeed in this work.

[AlwaysBeNice]

Concentration isn't going to get you self-realized, but you need to be determined in renunciation of ego-thought, and practice being as pure consciousness within, and opening to it

(Possibly with the help of japa, or a meditation image, or even prayer or satsang with a good realizer.

Being and focusing on a good realizer is the best, most direct, best guiding force and most inspiring and giver of faith and ultimately knowing)

..Concentration on outer objects is only helpful but not essential, being inward, self discovering is, but you need to be that consciously, can't be said to be a precise matter of concentration, it's more relaxing, but requires some focus.

And healing some emotional things may be helpful to become clearer, stiller, that also happens through spiritual practice but will still be helpful also often.

[VeganAwake]

1 hour ago, NoN-RaTiOnAL said:

i read the spiritual literature aswell buddy.. im well aware of all that your saying and it has no relation to what im referring to. 
im not getting annoyed or dissapointed of myself for not being concentrated enough. im just admitting 2 facts:
1. im a neurotic person
2. concentration practices ive tried for several years now havnt helped at all
and im asking are there any other alternatives people heard of that could possibly aid in this process?
 if not - ill keep going with what im already doing hoping it will improve in time. 

 

Is it actually a fact that you're a neurotic person, or could it just be a belief identified with as a part of the 'ME'.

What is the aim of your spiritual practices?

What does Enlightenment mean to you?

 

 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

@NoN-RaTiOnAL Yoga might work well for you, since it's more bodily, less mental.

[cetus]

@NoN-RaTiOnAL  2. concentration practices ive tried for several years now havnt helped at all

You were asking about biofeedback/neurofeedback devices in another thread and after reading what you posted here i'd suggest giving an emWave2 heart coherence monitor a try. It aids in training one to have a relaxed but focused state of mind, heart coherence being directly correlated to ones state of mind. In other words the more you chill mentally the more the heart/mind coherence comes into sync.

[Globalcollective]

3 hours ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

Might not help too much, but try a dopamine detox. 
 

Literally a day of nothing but meditation, water, writing and sleeping, google it. 
 

And, then try to reduce your exposure to things that spike your dopamine hugely and unnaturally. For example, scrolling through social media for hours, porn, hours of video games etc. 
 

Im NOT saying these things are bad, however, excess use of these things can lead to concentration issues and needing stimulation. At least it did for me. 
 

So, now my phone is off when working, porn habit has been kicked, and social media is limited to after work and weekends, same for video games/ TV/ movies etc. And I’ll do a quarterly dopamine detox  

Its really helped me, the practices Leo mentioned are of course also amazing. 

This ^^^ yeah start doing concentration pratices and also look at doing long meditation retreats. They give you a great boost and show you whats possible. I guess like anything I've found its down to how bad do you want it? You'll become enlightened if you really want to.  If you really want it you'll do anything  whatever it takes. Also try not to lable yourself as a compulsive thinker, don't deny it but just see it for what it is 

[cetus]

@remember Have you tried it? I just finished a session. Haven't used it for a few months and got a really sucky score.

As far as chakra work I'd say it helps one to get into a "flow state" or a state of equilibrium with the heart center.

[NoN-RaTiOnAL]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Optimizing your health and brain-chemistry might also be an important factor for you.

The brain's gotta be functioning well in order to succeed in this work

im aware of that. i have a small stack of nootropics and i keep a pretty healthy diet overall.  you have specific recommendations? 

 

10 hours ago, AlwaysBeNice said:

healing some emotional things may be helpful to become clearer, stiller, that also happens through spiritual practice but will still be helpful also often.

maybe i should explore this too. you have any specific recommendations? good healing techniques? (not necessarily by myself)

 

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yoga might work well for you, since it's more bodily, less mental.

im already practicing yoga. I combine a small physical excersice and mostly kriya yoga.   

 

9 hours ago, remember said:

1.what do you mean with neuroticism, get more specific 

compusive thoughts.. it never really ceases and i always get distracted after a few seconds of trying to concentrate on something. 

 

7 hours ago, Globalcollective said:

start doing concentration pratices and also look at doing long meditation retreats. They give you a great boost and show you whats possible

i agree. when i went on a retreat i got great results from being disconnected from everything for 10 days straight and doing meditation all day long. 
but it just doesnt seem to stay when im back home.. and im not so dopamin addicted.. barely watch tv.. also dont use social media much.. 
i will consider where i could cut off more of that shit... thanks

 

9 hours ago, cetus said:

 i'd suggest giving an emWave2 heart coherence monitor a try

thanks. maybe.. i might go for an even more professional kit which combines many sensors and biofeedback. ill look more into it. 
 

 

[Nak Khid]

what is an example of one of your compulsive thoughts? 

Edited April 26, 2020 by Nak Khid

[NoN-RaTiOnAL]

16 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

what is an example of one of your compulsive thoughts?

some conversation i had earlier in the day, going over it and examining what i said, if maybe i could have been clearer, nicer... etc
another common one is just explanations and insights. i suddenly start explaining things in my head. 

 

16 minutes ago, remember said:

houghts in form of pictures or thoughts in form of word

mostly in words.. getting some mental images too and bodily reactions but much less. 
i will try the white noise! great idea. thanks!

[Leo Gura]

 

[Chumbimba]

@Leo Gura He is one of the most underrated spiritual teachers. He is what got me started in this work (you helped too ) 

[Preety_India]

@Leo Gura

Loved your open-mindedness video. Great exercises. Right now enjoying it 

 

[Nak Khid]

13 minutes ago, NoN-RaTiOnAL said:

some conversation i had earlier in the day, going over it and examining what i said, if maybe i could have been clearer, nicer... etc
another common one is just explanations and insights. i suddenly start explaining things in my head. 

 

You might a have neurological disorder.  I recommend you see an accredited  neuropsychologist .   You may have a brain disorder or disease which can be evaluated by testing. 
If they recommend some sort of treatment you do not have to accept it and you can get other opinions and decide what do do after some thought.
You may also have no physiological problem  but it's best to have some testing done to see if you might have something inherited, a brain injury or disease.   

[NoN-RaTiOnAL]

17 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

You might a have neurological disorder.

haha my brain is overall very functioning and well. is it a neurological problem to have meaningless thoughts about the past?

@Leo Gura perfect, that gives me motivation, a very nice explanation. thanks!

 

[Nak Khid]

1 minute ago, NoN-RaTiOnAL said:

haha my brain is overall very functioning and well. is it a neurological problem to have meaningless thoughts about the past?
 

I thought you were having concentration problems

[Nahm]

7 hours ago, NoN-RaTiOnAL said:

some conversation i had earlier in the day, going over it and examining what i said, if maybe i could have been clearer, nicer... etc
another common one is just explanations and insights. i suddenly start explaining things in my head. 

 

What’s the relationship between thinking about how people think about you, and being concerned with explaining insights...and concentration?