Is alcohol really a bad thing?

[Michael569]

@LfcCharlie4  I didn't read any previous comments so not bashing on anybody's choices  

OP was asking if alcohol is bad, well, unfortunately, any amount is bad but I agree that is is a part of social gathering so one needs to be cautious with the amounts drank. No alcohol is the only safe amount thou. Anything else is just unnecessary stealing antioxidants that could be used to repair DNA

Edited April 27, 2020 by Michael569

[LfcCharlie4]

@Michael569  @TrynaBeTurquoise

I know you guys aren't the biggest fan of alcohol, however I wanted to ask. 

Once lockdown is over and normal life resumes (could be 6 weeks, could be 6 months who really knows) social events will resume, and I primarily consume alcohol in 3 situations- 1) Nights Out- Pubs/ Clubs 2) Cricket- After cricket on Saturdays during summer, tends to correspond to nights out, 3) Big football matches, e.g. Champions League nights. The reason is simply to have fun, sorry to say I enjoy it with friends from time to time. 

However, I have never ever had a drink at home, and will never drink alcohol except in social situations, Professor David Nutt talks about this as one of the main issues- when people started drinking inside their own homes, and not just in social situations. For example, right now I haven't drunk in months due to not being allowed to go anywhere. 

Anyways, to get to the point, do you have any particular recommendations for minimizing the effects of Alcohol consumption (Max Once a week) and reducing hangover effects. 

So far this is my regime:

Healthy Meal and Smoothie Pre Drinking, , Cold shower, fast etc

Drink

1-3 tabs of 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Morning-D-TOX-After-Drinking-Digestion/dp/B07F6J1DXV/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=morning+detox&qid=1587989580&sr=8-1 

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Lots of water before bed

Wake up- Lots of water and electrolytes through a sports drink, then 2-3 cups of Green Tea (wondering whether a fast is best) and 2-3 pills of 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Morning-D-TOX-After-Drinking-Digestion/dp/B07F6J1DXV/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=morning+detox&qid=1587989580&sr=8-1

So far these Pills have been the only thing I found that works and makes me feel normal after a couple hours, compared to feeling sub-optimal all day. 

Only used on 3 occasions this year though, however, the reviews are also promising.

Let me know what you think

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by LfcCharlie4

[Michael569]

@LfcCharlie4

The interesting thing with alcohol is that the more you drink the "better" your body becomes in metabolising. By "better" I mean the liver upregulated the production of Alcohol Dehydrogenase and Aldehyde Dehydrogenase, two enzymes that are breaking it down into Acetaldehyde and Acetate. This is to protect from cellular damage alcohol does. The same thing happens if you become a regular user of the heroine. 

Some things you can do to improve your detoxification pathways if you are going to indulge  (btw you got the basics pretty much covered above)

• start easy, let your body upregulate the two enzymes first. Your first night out should be a bit easy. Going all in may overload your liver's capacity and give you pretty nasty hangover
• optimise your zinc status, zinc is a cofactor for both alcohol dehydrogenase and aldehyde dehydrogenase. So maybe load on some zinc or make sure you eat zinc rich foods regularly. 
• up all your B-vitamins as you'll be peeing them out during hangover. Liver also burns through them quickly when there is a lot of ethyl alcohol present. 
• ensure your elimination is smooth with 3 bowel movements and at least 6-8 urinations so that all metabolites are getting out and nothing is reabsorbed. 
• boost your chain-breaking antioxidant status. This means fruits, veg, legumes, greens. You can load on fruits and black grapes (resveratrol) before your night of drinking to supply the body with the protection it needs. I wouldn't necessarily rely on the antioxidant supplement, those things are pretty dangerous and harmful imo
• drinking 300ml of pure water between each pint/shot and loading on another half-liter after you come back 
•  foods that specifically support one or more of the 3 phases of liver detoxification: broccoli (broccoli sprouts ar more potent), lemons, apples, asparagus, beet, mung bean sprouts, dandelion, nettle, parsley, coriander, milk thistle (tea is preferable to milk thistle supplement or tincture), resveratrol from red grapes, 
• If you drink, don't drink on open sun and DONT get burned. This will require your glutathione to be spread apart to remove burned cells and take away essential antioxidants from liver. Some people also have genetic snips in genes coding for certain antioxidants (SOD2 in my case for example) for them this kinda of cellular damage would be pretty nasty. 
• Also don't eat fried and barbecued food on your night out (I know this isn't easy when you are in the mood :D) again, stealing NADPH from liver. 
• if you want to take this a bit further, remain on 100% raw vegan diet for 24-48 hours post hangover to minimise load on the liver by removing all animal protein.
• So to summarise it if you drink don't eat junk, don't get burned, drink a lot and eat mostly fruits and vegetables afterwards

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Michael569

[LfcCharlie4]

@Michael569  You are a fucking hero!!! Always hitting me with those scientifically accurate truths to help! 

Haha, unfortunately I won't be allowing my body to get too good at the whole processing

So start slow! 

Zinc- How much? I'm loading on Zinc atm due to Corona, from the Drs PDF you recommend Chris, I always forget his name!

B Vitamins- These are present in my multivitamin and B12 (I'm vegan) any other way to load on them pre drinking? 

Bowel and urination- Got IT!

So, basically be EXTRA healthy around drinking days, superfood salads, more fruit, and more legumes- perfect. 

Water in between drink, the one I first learned and rarely apply....need to start!

Will get some of them foods! 

Haha, I burn like crazy will load up on sunscreen for the holiday don't worry about that! 

Yes, sadly, Chips and Pitta is my go to meal post drinking, again something that needs to be stopped! 

Fully raw? I'm already vegan, so go fully raw say all day sunday? 

Thanks for the help as always!

[Michael569]

@LfcCharlie4

20 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

Zinc- How much? I'm loading on Zinc atm due to Corona, from the Drs PDF you recommend Chris, I always forget his name!

 

I don't recall the numbers Chris Masterjohn recommends but anywhere up to 50mg is perfectly safe taken before sleep. Just don't use zinc picolinate or oxide. Pumpkin seeds, nuts and all legumes are pretty good sources. There is also phytic acid in legumes so soaking and cooking properly seems to help. But as always, food comes before supplementation although in current pandemic, having a bit of help can be helpful I take 22mg of zinc citrate from Lamberts few times a week. Allergy Research also have a good, I think 30mg Zinc Citrate. 

20 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

B Vitamins- These are present in my multivitamin and B12 (I'm vegan) any other way to load on them pre drinking? 

Most whole unprocessed foods have a degree of them. Wholegrains are very rich as well. So are nuts and green vegetables I think. Healthline will probably have an article on best sources. 

20 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

Haha, I burn like crazy will load up on sunscreen for the holiday don't worry about that! 

I think that's just a British genome  You guys burn fast because historically this region has always had lack of direct sunlight. Nature never intended to give you TAN to make you more attractive, it was always your skin protecting itself from oxidative damage. The looks are just the bonus. With light skin you absorb more UvB for vitamin D production and overall need less time daily to get the proper dose. At the same time, you will get more damage from burning than people with darker skin tones so take care with that . Btw people who booze sunburn quicker than those who don't but this damage was somewhat mediated by drinking berries smoothie before sunbathing and boozing. I recall reading a paper on this some time ago. 

20 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

Yes, sadly, Chips and Pitta is my go to meal post drinking, again something that needs to be stopped! 

You can get one of those small bottles like they serve in Pret and fill it with some ultra berry thick smoothie from a bag of blended blueberries before you go.  Than just hide it in jacket and drink it in the middle on the night on the loo so that you don't get the "weirdo" looks from your mates. Can help to negate some of the damage.  

20 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

Fully raw? I'm already vegan, so go fully raw say all day sunday? 

I think going fully raw every once in a while for few days can be helpful. But if you are a good vegan your liver is already likely to be less taxed overall as long as you are not missing any important nutrients. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Michael569

[LfcCharlie4]

@Michael569  Thank you once again for your response, your passion for your LP shines through in these posts to say the least, you're gonna help so many people!!!!

He recommends up to 4x 15Mg/1Mg Copper/Zinc supplements for Covid-19 with elderberry and a Zinc Lozenge a day. 

I just meant for alcohol, how much should I pre load, I think the supplement I linked has it in!

Big wholefood salad before the next night out, and a Berry smoothie as a post drinking snack- The Girls will be flocking to me...

Haha, yeah I sunburn so bad- more berry smoothies sounds fine for me! 

Yeah- my main bad habit is Peanut Butter, but I've now limited myself to 1 teaspoon in my Oats and NO PB snacks, or I just go crazy. 

Never gone raw for a day I don't think!

What's your top 5 nutrition/ diet books (not too much interested in the Science jargon) for optimizing health and feeling amazing basically. Always looking to learn. 

[fridjonk]

29 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

Yeah- my main bad habit is Peanut Butter

Bad habit? If you get the right ones, they're extremely healthy. 

[LfcCharlie4]

@fridjonk Link me some brands, I’m ALL ears! ? 

I still think I eat wayyyy too much, pretty sure it’s what could be causing some minor spot issues on my back and neck, as my face completely cleared up when I went vegan back in 2015 after like a year, but my back never fully cleared annoyingly.

[Raptorsin7]

@Michael569 What do you think of edible marajiana in terms of health effects?

[fridjonk]

@LfcCharlie4 I use organic Icelandic ones. Most of peanut butter is vegan I think. They're super high in healthy fats, protein, potassium, and fiber. I could not live without it.  Maybe you react badly to it tho, I always feel great after it personally. 

 

 

[LfcCharlie4]

@fridjonk Hmmm, I’ll try find some good organic ones round here, and man I’m hooked on it haha, but I could do with a higher quality one for sure 

[TrynaBeTurquoise]

@LfcCharlie4 @Michael569  

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This is the only alcohol I drink, hehe. Got asked to show my ID the other day. 

[Brian Wolfe]

Chronic alcohol abuse can have catastrophic health effects, impacting your entire body, and causing a range of health problems. For example, it can cause liver damage — including cirrhosis — brain damage, heart failure, diabetes, cancer, and infections ( 9, 54, 58, 71, 72, 73 ).

[LfcCharlie4]

@Brian Wolfe Any reason for posting this?

Almost sounds like the anti drug message you read in science textbooks at school, that just lead 15 year old kids to getting drunk in a park. 
 

Speaking of that, schools really need a much better drug message than “Don’t do any drugs ever!” 

[flowboy]

On 25-4-2020 at 1:50 AM, LfcCharlie4 said:

just use alcohol like any other tool

Ehm, tool for what?

[LfcCharlie4]

@flowboy  Yeah wrong word probs. 

Meant, just to enjoy socially from time to time with friends, that's all. 

Of course if you have addiction issues with Alcohol that's completely different. 

Brian Rose of London Real talks about this well. 

[Dragos]

On 4/25/2020 at 3:09 AM, LfcCharlie4 said:

@Dragos I completely get you man I too have an addictive personality, hence why I just never allow myself to drink at home, and I don’t want to tbh, I just drink when out with friends for some fun, but haven’t for a few months now and am not bothered, if I never went out clubbing / to a pub with my friends, I’d never drink again I doubt, no need! 
 

I would say find what’s right for you and go with it. 
 

Some people can drink once and then forget about it for weeks or all week and drink again, whereas, for some it takes over their mind- just like for Brian Rose of London real, and if you’re like that don’t drink, it’s as simple as that. 
 

That’s how I am with junk food and Porn so I just cut them out completely, most of us have things we just can’t use sensibly. 

Yea, I think all of us have some things that we use as a crutch or simply are more drawn to them then other things. For me is junk food and music.

I remeber seeing few episodes of Brian's podcast 2 or 3 years ago, and I remember he talked about his struggle, I forgot about him, i'll rewatch to see what's new.

[Dragos]

On 4/25/2020 at 4:22 AM, TrynaBeTurquoise said:

That wavy feeling and being a social lubricant with others who you might be kind of uncomfortable around otherwise does feel really good, no doubt. For me, what buffers me from drinking (I pretty much never drink, ever) is that I can acutely feel the negative after-effects from it, even if its just one or 2 drinks, and that alone makes it not worth it for me. Feeling such as lethargy/headache. Especially since drinking is an evening/night time thing, and doing it then negatively affects sleep quality. I'm a person who values the shit out of my sleep quality probably more than most people. But definitely some situations present themselves in life where I would indulge, and when it is one of those times I can feel it in my gut. 

I wake up very early and have a lot of energy after a night of drinking, stange, and I personally dont have negative after-effect. I can't even remember having a strong lasting hangover, but I did notice that when I have a negative thought as i was drunk Iit would attach and stayed with me for a while and that made my experience shitty.

[Dragos]

On 4/25/2020 at 4:09 AM, Keyhole said:

If you can handle it, having a few drinks here and there is fine.  Everything in moderation.
I don't drink anymore personally because I can't handle it and end up overdoing it.

I can handle it but rather just not do it althogheter for the rest of my life. Although who knows what awaits for them in life, if I can pull this off without in a natural way as I did till now  i'd be at peace with myself.

[Dragos]

On 4/25/2020 at 5:07 AM, modmyth said:

@Dragos  Yea, I've gotten that before when I was younger as well, even when I would have the occasional drink. I would explain to people that I don't like drinking because I'm alcohol intolerant or allergic (not sure which one it is). Basically I experience all of the effects of a hangover almost right away, if I don't just throw up right immediately, and I explain that my mom is the same way. And for whatever reason, people don't usually believe it. People react like I'm telling them about some magical fairy unicorn condition, haha. And I've been told it's weird that I don't drink as well, and not just from guys who are trying to get me tanked.

If everyone experienced all the negative effects of drinking right away, not one would drink, probably.

And do you still drink now, how do people react when you explain yourself now? Must be harder for a girl, right? Guys can be persistent :).

Yea, I was never really interested in drinking so for me it was and still is weird that people find it so necesarry in their life and nothing wrong about it.

I don't think so, I knew few people who experience hangover that lasted for few days, still, they found reasons to drink again.