Lines Of Spiral Dynamic Development (Bar Chart) (See Where You Are On The Spiral In..

[UnconsciousHuman]

@Derek White

What do you think spiral dynamics represent? A level of being? well, what is that... certainly, a kangaroo can't understand a human but that's not how spiral-dynamics works. 

By problem-solving I don't mean IQ, I'm referring to the ability to interact with the environment to get a result.

Spiral dynamics tracks the average progression of "problem-solving" ability as the "problems" get more complex. The levels on the spiral are approaches to dealing with life, and there are many facets within life that are dealt with using different stages. 

For example, you can teach a BLUE person to view friendships in a stage GREEN way, they can fully understand it but they won't like it since it doesn't emotionally feel right for them and because they don't see why it's necessary. 

[Derek White]

@UnconsciousHuman Your level of being and your values are connected imo. Look at it this way, you wake up one morning feeling groggy. At that moment you value staying in bed, sleeping, watching porn, jerking off and eating junk. Then, you force yourself out of bed to have a nice cold shower. After the shower you fee amazing. You value looking forward to the day, working hard, improving your life, and meeting your friends. It’s not just a conceptual shift. You are a different person energy wise and consciousness wise. Your values and desires have changed. I would say you have moved up the spiral a tiny bit. 

[UnconsciousHuman]

@Derek White Not sure what you are trying to say, Im somewhat confused. 

Your values are just one aspect of the lines of spiral dynamics. Each level of the spiral could be considered as complexity period. Then you can link that to values, friendships, etc..

[Derek White]

@UnconsciousHuman Oh well, I’m just bad at explaining.

I was just pointing out that as you move up the spiral your capacity to Love increases: your consciousness or understanding increases. People lower on the spiral don’t just lack conceptual understanding but a more visceral understanding which is beyond thinking. That’s why thinking won’t necessarily move you up the spiral. 
 

41 minutes ago, UnconsciousHuman said:

Your values are just one aspect of the lines of spiral dynamics.

Sure, but it’s primary concern is values and behaviour.  
“Spiral dynamics is fundamentally explaining humans values and motives,” - Actualized Textbook

Edited April 23, 2020 by Derek White

[UnconsciousHuman]

@Derek White

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Oh well, I’m just bad at explaining.

I was just pointing out that as you move up the spiral your capacity to Love increases: your consciousness or understanding increases. People lower on the spiral don’t just lack conceptual understanding but a more visceral understanding which is beyond thinking. That’s why thinking won’t necessarily move you up the spiral. 
 

Sure, but it’s primary concern is values and behaviour.  
“Spiral dynamics is fundamentally explaining humans values and motives,” - Actualized Textbook

More accurately said, Spiral Dynamics is fundamentally used to explain human values and motives.

Spiral dynamics is usually used to describe values thats why its confusing when I talk about more nuanced uses of it.

I agree with you totally but I want you to see that spiral dynamics is so much more than just the plain ole Values facet.

You talked about how people lower on the spiral lack the emotional understanding which is literally beyond thoughts, totally dude thats the only thing holding back blue-values people from moving to orange-values because they haven't had to go through the emotional burden of having less developed values. 

Edited April 24, 2020 by UnconsciousHuman

[Derek White]

52 minutes ago, UnconsciousHuman said:

I agree with you totally but I want you to see that spiral dynamics is so much more than just the plain ole Values facet.

Yes, that is true. I would say that love/consciousness is perhaps the most important line and greatly effects all other lines. From one POV it's the only line. 

I was also pointing out the link between consciousness and self-bias. Maybe I can explain it. Say we have two people on an arbitrary love/consciousness 'line', one is 5% conscious and the other is 10% conscious. The person at 5% may not know that they are at that level, may not know other levels exists, and may not recognize the other person as 10%. It's a catch 22. Sort of like how hardcore rationalists don't know consciousness even exists. So self-biased you don't know you're self-biased. In this case the human is like that kangaroo who can't get out of it's situation. It just has to click; hope that it clicks.

Ime, something like a cold-showers, psychedelics, meditation, etc. help break the catch 22 and reveal new things in consciousness. Reminds me of this quote: "You can't think your way into right action, but you can act your way into right thinking." - Bill Wilson

Sorry, perhaps I derailed the thread. I was merely pointing out the possibility of self-bias.

 

Edited April 24, 2020 by Derek White

[Derek White]

Let's get back on track.

[Derek White]

@UnconsciousHuman Nah, I said what I had to. That's it. 

[Espaim]

Hmm. By filling this I discovered that I'm soo green I look like an spinach.

[UnconsciousHuman]

@Espaim Time for a smoothie m8.