Concerns for Leo

[Surfingthewave]

@Elisabeth

Its not about being cautious, transparent or couragous. It's about taking responsibility for the power and influence he has particularly on newbies, particularly at this time of COVID when people are more vulnerable. 

There are newbies on here who are already following his path, just look already. 

Just don't make the vids about excessive drug taking when there is no evidence to suggest this is a path others should follow. Or do the research, seek medical advice, write a disclaimer and only send videos to experienced enlightened folk. 

I've already read about followers on here ending up needing psychiatric suppprt following watching Leo's vids and not safely following practices. I'm not saying this is right or wrong I'm just pointing this out as this is very dangerous for those who are inexperienced. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Surfingthewave

[Surfingthewave]

@Pookie Thank you for your gracious comments. 

Sending love ? 

[voxun]

Where would one get medical advice on the use of psychedelics? 

Most doctors would clearly advice against it and as for psychiatry I think that was designed to put you in boxes not break free from them.

I'm grateful that I can watch Leo take the risk, I know I would never have the courage to do what he does but maybe I will muster up the courage one day.

Noone is forced to follow his advice or watch his videos. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by voxun

[Tanz]

@Surfingthewave I have had deep awareness moments where I have gone to the point of feeling if I took 2-4 more steps I would not come back.  

If you also go super deep you witness the destruction of the universe, the "god of destruction," Shiva is a real thing.  I don't mean the God Shiva as a spirit but what you will experience when you want to go deeper.  The feel-good fluffy stuff is easy to be with but when you want to go ultra conscious, you have to go dark. There could be another way but I don't know of a way or anyone that has done it without discomfort.  

Leo is going to be fine but it's great to have a post like this to show your concern.  I would be deeply saddened too if Leo were to be gone.  
There will be an end-boss or bosses that Leo will share with everyone when he goes even deeper.  

Edited April 20, 2020 by Tanz

[Nak Khid]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Do not harm your physical body.

5Meo says your physical body doesn't matter

[VeganAwake]

@Leo Gura don't pull out prematurely Leo... nobody really knows what's going to happen we just pretend like we do.

That's the mystery that's the Wonder... looking at the world again with childlike eyes and splendor.

Maybe your next adventure will be a radical shift... but nothing has to end, maybe you will move to somewhere new, start something different, change up your videos, maybe if the search is given up the answer will appear.( "when the student is ready the master appears")

Nothing ever promised us this crazy ball and chain trip was going to be perfect peace and Bliss... love hate fear suffering anger boredom happiness joy anguish sorrow fulfillment. It's all IT...it's all WHATS HAPPENING!!

Creativity is like God's porn and you've got way too much of it to be pullin out prematurely.

Maybe take it easy on the seeking and start basking in the Indescribable mystery of what's already here... it's f****** incredible... 

I'm only 5 hours away from Vegas don't make me drive over there and give you a bear hug from the US Navy. ?

We love you way too much brother!! thanks for everything seriously. ❤

[Surfingthewave]

@voxun A good psychiatrist should give you advice about side effects and how to stay safe. They often get a bad wrap. They should understand the workings of the brain and nervous system particularly when taking certain types of substances. Maybe it's different in different areas. 

@Tanz I guess some people are intrigued by the dark side. I don't have experience of going ultra conscious but then I don't feel the need to. Perhaps some personality types are more susceptible to seeking this, obsessive seekers, people with ADHD, self critics etc and people to whom it is their life's work (Leo). I guess no matter how enlightened you are you still got to live life, chop wood, carry water etc, but it can be beautiful. 

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Surfingthewave

[Surfingthewave]

@Meta-Man I disagree. Awakening doesn't need to take radical measures at all. In fact it is quite ordinary. It's just a shift in Understanding and Knowing. Have you read the scriptures, or studied Tao? That's the secret, but big ego's can't handle it. Big ego's want massive massive radical measures. Why do you think that is? 

You are projecting classic statements and beliefs I have heard many many times before, it's actually quite boring. Perhaps do some self reflection. This work isn't like sky diving, parachuting or rock climbing, it's not an extreme sport. Be a bit more aware before you communicate some of your ideas.

Namaste ? 

[LfcCharlie4]

@VeganAwake Well said, plenty of time to bathe in eternity, why not enjoy the show while it lasts! 

[Forestluv]

2 hours ago, voxun said:

Where would one get medical advice on the use of psychedelics? 

Most doctors would clearly advice against it

That’s like asking a doctor how to fix a broken carburetor. . . Most doctors don’t know squat about psychedelics. It is not part of the medical school curriculum. As a doctor about psychedelics and they’d probably say something like “I heard last month there was a guy that came into the ER on a bad LSD trip. I would advise against taking psychedelics”. . . Hopefully in the future, psychedelic therapy becomes a standard part of doctor and psychologist education.

2 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

5Meo says your physical body doesn't matter

No. This is a misunderstood partially-true contextualization. If you would like to learn what 5Meo actually “says” about the physical body, get some actual experience with 5Meo.

The mind is still within a duality of “matter vs. doesn’t matter”. That is a construct you are creating - of which 5-Meo could transcend for you. 

[Corpus]

Just now, Serotoninluv said:

. . . Doctors don’t know squat about psychedelics. 

. As a doctor about psychedelics and they’d probably say something like “I heard last month there was a guy that came into the ER on a bad LSD trip. I would advise against taking psychedelics”. . . 

 

For an enlightened soul, a lot of this ^^ this is a gross assumption, generalization and a belief which you would do well to question.

 

 

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Corpus said:

For an enlightened soul, a lot of this ^^ this is a gross assumption, generalization and a belief which you would do well to question.

I work at a University and I’ve been in regular contact with doctors and psychologists throughout my career. As well, I teach a class on psychedelics as well as pre-med students. I’ve done a fair amount of research and questioning in this area. Although this is not my area of speciality and I have not conducted formal studies in this area, I would say my experience and research in this area wouldn’t be considered a “gross assumption”. You are free to disagree.

I’m am constantly growing and learning. If you have some information about psychedelic education in medical schools, I would love learn about in and integrate it into my class. I haven’t been able to find any. My impression is that part of the issue is that psychedelics are still illegal in most developed countries. This will reduce the necessity of the education. Along a medical path, my impression is that psychedelics are seen as another “drug”. Since the psychedelics are rarely used in a population and have a low addiction risk, it is not a high priority to teach doctors about psychedelic-related treatment. Something like opioids is much more commonly used with much more adverse effects. Medical schools would include much more education about opioid physiology, overdoses and treatment than with psychedelics. Yet if you have some knowledge about psychedelic education in medical schools, I would be super interested in learning more. This would be very exciting news for me. 

Your point about generalizations has merit. It would be better to say *most* doctors - I have updated the post. Usually, I don’t write in absolute terms, yet I wrote that post quickly. In technical writing, a qualifying word like “most” should be added. This was implicit, yet would be better written explicitly. Point taken. 

And I would be aware of the mind adding in constructs such as “for an enlightened soul. . . “. This relative and amorphous idea can be a sneaky attempt of the mind to take higher ground and authority. The mind can state “For an enlightened soul. . . “ and then add in whatever it wants. The “for enlightened soul” part can add in the impression that it the claim is at some higher metaphysical level without taking personal ownership. Yet there is an implicit underlying suggestion of “I know what an enlightened soul is” or “I am an enlightened soul and can tell you xyz”. It can be a clever trick of mind creation. I’m not saying that is your orientation or intention. Yet it is a common trick of the mind in creating persuasive constructs.

 

[VeganAwake]

@LfcCharlie4 ❤

[Forestluv]

@Meta-Man Crazy story. Yikes!. . . I hope in the future, psychedelics will become part of a medical curriculum - especially for psychologists and psychedelic therapy. There are both benefits and risks of using psychedelics and, imo, having educated health care providers is important to do it safely and effectively. 

[SoonHei]

relaxxx

Leo ain't going anywhere!

when that singularity - which already IS the case - sucks Leo into it...

it will spit-out a naked and squeaky clean Leo out...

the OLD LEO will have died.

and the LEO who comes back, will be GOD/LOVE thru and as LEO.

 

right now it is also GOD/LOVE thru and as LEO... but it is conditional Love... not absolutely unconditional. Leo wants more than anything to go for the unconditional love... One thing I know is that Leo is wrong about absolute unconditional love while in Form...

Form is formlessness after-all...

it is the MIND that dies... and after that, the form of LEO is Pure and empty of an I and thus absolutely unconditional... and no, it will not "match" any criteria of how unconditional love should look like. still expect slaps in the face, maybe harder even

 

[Surfingthewave]

@Serotoninluv

48 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Since the psychedelics are rarely used in a population and have a low addiction risk, it is not a high priority to teach doctors about psychedelic-related treatment. Something like opioids is much more commonly used with much more adverse effects. Medical schools would include much more education about opioid physiology, overdoses and treatment than with psychedelics. Yet if you have some knowledge about psychedelic education in medical schools, I would be super interested in learning more. This would be very exciting news for me.

Interesting, if there is such a massive gap in research, perhaps lead the way! 

[Forestluv]

10 minutes ago, Surfingthewave said:

@Serotoninluv

Interesting, if there is such a massive gap in research, perhaps lead the way! 

Research is expanding. Unfortunately, psychedelics are a schedule I substance and it is nearly impossible for me to get clearance. I would need to secure a large grant and then apply to get approved. And then. . .there would be a ton of regulation. 

I can easily order enough mercury to kill wipe out an entire city, yet I’m unable to get a 1 nanogram of LSD that wouldn’t be enough to make a fruit fly trip. 

I have collaborated a bit with an approved-lab. I’ve used “psychedelic-like” compounds like DOI with insects (looking at neuromuscular effects). I’ve also done some experiments with standard psychedelics independently and have found certain psychedelics can partially rescue neurological defects in insects. Yet it is hard to stay motivated because I can’t tell anybody about these results - not my students or colleagues. I can’t present it at meetings or publish it. That totally sucks and it sucks the life out of the inquiry. I can make discoveries to satisfy my personal curiosity, yet I can’t share my discoveries with anyone. This is an area in which the structure of scientific research is counter-productive. 

Although I can’t speak about my research results with psychedelics,  I can speak about psychedelics in general and help educate the scientific community.

[Waken]

49 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

@Serotoninluv

Doctors knows very little about psychedelics if anything.

Funny story; many years ago I tripped on a heavy dose of shrooms with a friend. He went nuts, ran to the streets of my neighbourhood shouting, tore his sweater to shreds and started pulling out his hair. He went absolutely mad (massive shadow). I called what I thought was the police to come tame the beast, but instead the ambulance came (??‍♂️). By the time they arrived my friend had calmed down to a more neutral emotional state. For some reason I hopped into the car too and by the time we reached the hospital me and my friend were just giggling them cosmic giggles. We told the ER personell and the doctors how stunningly divinely perfect they were and that they needed not be afraid (should’ve seen their faces, lol!).

They then proceeded to try and make us drink coal for some reason. Supposedly  they thought we had eaten ‘poisonous mushrooms’ and that that would work. We were careless and blissful so we just obliged. «Why are doing this? Oh well, whatever *cosmic giggles*». The next day we walked out of the hospital as if nothing had happened. Bizarre event.

Needless to say it was crazy being on 6g mushrooms having to stay completely level headed trying to handle that situation with a mad raging 6’5 bodybuilder. One of the most epic ‘loss of control’ events of my life.

Cool story bro!

 

Lol, I want to share a story too.

I once did shrooms in a forest, was completely tripping my balls out and thought I was guided by Jed Mckenna (in my thoughts) to attempt to drown myself in a lake, so I would (in my mind) get rescued by people and they would bring me to Jed. At some point of trying to drown myself, my body was screaming for breath I eventually burst out of the water saying 'No more of this shit'. Got out of the water, saw a house in the forest and ran toward it. I pulled off all my clothes while running, except for my underpants and maybe a sock. Once at the house I knocked on the door and screamed that 'Lisa please open the door, you need to bring me to Jed' (I somehow thought she was a personage from Jed's book, lol).
Woman appeared at the other side of the door, she didn't open of course, but released some dogs who were trained police dogs, and called police. I smacked her windows with my hand as I wanted to be safe inside, but after some time heard police so tried jumping over her high fence to get away. Got severely stuck in barbed wire, with my head swinging over the floor, and when making some powerful but painful attempts to rip myself free I only ripped open my leg. The police found me like this, swinging upside down in barbed wire, completely wet and covered with blood, some bone or whatever it was I could see from upside down in my leg, completely off my rocker and screaming that I needed to go to Jed. They eventually cut the barbed wire off and drugged me so I would pass out and got brought to first aid, they told me afterwards it was the most fucked up thing they ever saw. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Waken

[Surfingthewave]

@Serotoninluv Fascinating, why not publish? Let go of the outcome, it would do great benefits to this community. 

There is some research into small amounts of esctasy benefitting certain people with long term neurological conditions. For that hour taking drugs small dosages can help the nervous system in such a way the person is no longer limited by symptoms. Ie a person able to do gymnastics who otherwise is not able to walk in their own. 

Great stories but this thread has totally derailed. 

 

[Forestluv]

14 minutes ago, Surfingthewave said:

@Serotoninluv Fascinating, why not publish? Let go of the outcome, it would do great benefits to this community. 

I could lose my job and face criminal prosecution. . . It’s against the law for me to use psychedelics in my research. 

There are some simple experiments I could do at home, yet I need some equipment and reagents at the University to do what I want to do. And if I was to publish in a scientific journal, it would be rejected (and I would likely face severe consequences).

I suppose I could try to do some simple experiments at my home, yet it would be very limited because I don’t have any equipment and it would be a big time investment. Plus, I wouldn’t be able to publish it in a reputable peer-reviewed source. It would be more like an open internet source that wouldn’t get disseminated very well. 

There is currently an effort to relax restrictions and regulations on psychedelic research, yet changes come slowly. Perhaps in the next five years or so.