Hoaxed Documentary

[Consept]

In light of everything going on with how news, mainstream and alternative, play up narratives create theories etc I was kind of looking for something that explained. Now at first I didn't think this doc was the best example because the producers are basically alt right, but this works on 2 levels, one is explaining how the idea of framing works to give you a narrative but also two, they are literally framing a narrative before your eyes, watch how they present each of their subjects and stories and notice how you feel about them as it unfolds. Please watch this from meta level, I'm only sharing this here because I believe people on this forum are capable of that 

 

[Leo Gura]

Oh god...

What is up with all this conspiracy stuff lately?

[Consept]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Oh god...

What is up with all this conspiracy stuff lately?

This isn't a conspiracy theory per se, it's more looking at how theories or narratives get power and people start believing them. But I think it works as an actual example of framing in of itself. But delete if you don't think its appropriate, I'm more pointing out why conspiracies and fake news exist and what there origins are, because people really do believe in conspiracies and it confuses the shit out of me as to why 

[LaucherJunge]

@Consept
If it's against the media its a conspiracy!

[Preety_India]

 

Good documentary. Enjoyed it. 

Shows how taking things out of context can cause so much damage to a person's reputation and also disrupt elections, people's careers. Can even lead to riots. 

Caused by the media. The media is a bully. 

What does a bully do? 

Answer - Always take things out of context and twist them to suit their narrative of demonizing the person in question. Basically Slander, the oldest crime in the book that crucifies hundreds of good people and creates a catastrophe. Almost like a swarm of locusts destroying crops 

Eye opener documentary. Not that I didn't know these wicked workings of the mainstream media but still it's an in depth exploration of the psyche of the mainstream business. 

Media is nothing but hypocrisy at its finest. 

In a democratic society, one way to resolve this problem is to suspend the license of the media companies for a month. Make them serve time or penalty for publishing bullshit and cutting and pasting quotes. 

Media is a relatively new phenomenon because back in the 30s the radios only broadcast shows to let people know major announcements. 

But today they have mushroomed everywhere and all they care about is profit at the cost of someone's career. That's why the documentary is banned by Amazon

Since the media taking control is a relatively new phenomenon, we don't see a lot of amendments or laws in the American constitution regarding them. This a loophole the media is primarily taking advantage of. They can easily get away with bad reporting. 

However if the constitution is amended and rules are included as to what is acceptable and what's not, then people and organizations can file defamation lawsuits against the media. This will bring some level of control. 

Such a social upheaval will need people protesting on streets and fighting the bullying nature of the media. 

Only after repeated protesting and petitions, the government will probe into it and take action against media houses. 

Till then the media will continue to believe that they are untouchable. 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Preety_India

[Consept]

30 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

 

Good documentary. Enjoyed it. 

Shows how taking things out of context can cause so much damage to a person's reputation and also disrupt elections, people's careers. Can even lead to riots. 

Caused by the media. The media is a bully. 

What does a bully do? 

Answer - Always take things out of context and twist them to suit their narrative of demonizing the person in question. Basically Slander, the oldest crime in the book that crucifies hundreds of good people and creates a catastrophe. Almost like a swarm of locusts destroying crops 

Eye opener documentary. Not that I didn't know these wicked workings of the mainstream media but still it's an in depth exploration of the psyche of the mainstream business. 

Media is nothing but hypocrisy at its finest. 

In a democratic society, one way to resolve this problem is to suspend the license of the media companies for a month. Make them serve time or penalty for publishing bullshit and cutting and pasting quotes. 

Media is a relatively new phenomenon because back in the 30s the radios only broadcast shows to let people know major announcements. 

But today they have mushroomed everywhere and all they care about is profit at the cost of someone's career. That's why the documentary is banned by Amazon

Since the media taking control is a relatively new phenomenon, we don't see a lot of amendments or laws in the American constitution regarding them. This a loophole the media is primarily taking advantage of. They can easily get away with bad reporting. 

However if the constitution is amended and rules are included as to what is acceptable and what's not, then people and organizations can file defamation lawsuits against the media. This will bring some level of control. 

Such a social upheaval will need people protesting on streets and fighting the bullying nature of the media. 

Only after repeated protesting and petitions, the government will probe into it and take action against media houses. 

Till then the media will continue to believe that they are untouchable. 

 

 

OK this was what I was worried about, yes you're right all your points are valid but really think about this doc. It's about framing, they say if you can get there first and get your point accross your side will be perceived as right.

This doc is a framing exercise, think about the first Alex Jones section, he's framed as a clown (hes literally wearing a clown mask) there are weird shots of him just making faces, this is showing us that he's not serious like he's all a joke, then shows him being a fearless journalist who stands up for truth. But he's himself has framed others wrong or lied about certain things or exaggerated his points, but now your opinion could be changed because he was framed initially as someone harmless and then someone who only cares about truth and challenges things. Did you also notice the woman that did the red pill doc was cut into the Alex Jones bit saying you need people to be fearless and question things, she wasn't talking about Alex JONES!! She never mentions him most likely she was talking about herself but she's cut in to add weight to the framing that they're doing. 

This is the case with every part because every doc is nothing but a frame. Trump was framed in that were trying to over exaggerate the opinion on him, mainstream media calling him a monster and playing faux scary music, so that you think it's kinda exaggerated all this trump bashing. It's it probably is exaggerated but there are many examples of him saying crazy things and you could  paint him as a monster you could also paint him how they painted him. 

If you agreed with the doc and felt the way it wanted you to feel then their framing has worked on you. Framing is used by both sides it's a tactic, almost like a war tactic. If you think about it the alternative media is almost like rebels so they use guerrilla tactics, so they can throw more unchecked misinformation and lies out there because they're not in power. The mainstream are so they have to be a bit more subtle, they can't outright spread lies but they can manipulate truths to make you think differently about something. 

[LaucherJunge]

@Consept
She was not specifically talking about Alex Jones, but about everyone who dares to ask those questions. You are expecting perfection from people, everyone has their faults and at least some are honest about it. People who aren't honest about their flaws and let the media cover up their flaws by not covering it at all are the problem here. They let Alex Jones be the biggest one out there with these theories because it's easy to paint him as a dumbass. People who are not as easy to paint as a dumbass will never get the platform.

Find the ones you cannot criticize and you've found the ones in control - Voltaire

[Leo Gura]

Find the ones you criticize and you've found your shadow. - God

[LaucherJunge]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Find the ones you criticize and you've found your shadow. - God

Couldn't agree more. 

[Consept]

@LaucherJunge I know she what she was talking about, I'm saying it's convenient they spliced it in next to the Alex Jones bit, she doesn't have that opinion of Alex Jones but the documentary is trying to make you think that. The documentary is about framing but they also frame things themselves. Do you not get this? 

[LaucherJunge]

@Consept
I absolutely do get this. Why are you demonizing it? How are they supposed to spread the message to people fighting sensational media?
People who are aware of holding an objective view aren't influenced by that. They are fighting the devil with his own weapons. Is it stage turquoise enlightened stuff? No. Again, you expect perfection. Let the masses wake up and then spread the message of god, then spread love. The media will never allow love to happen.

[Consept]

@LaucherJunge If you were wondering why pizza Gate was at the beginning its because the Ceravich guy was the one who really pushed that and made it go viral. In the segment there basically showing that it wasn't true but hes showing he's smart enough to make it appear true, that why he says its like pro wrestling you can say whatever 

[LaucherJunge]

@Consept You misinterpreted that. They have to distance themselves from direct accusations. They had it up on amazon prime but it was removed anyway.

[Consept]

@LaucherJunge right but then can't I say you expect perfection from the mainstream media? Whereas you give the people anti media a pass because they're fighting against the mainstream media? 

[LaucherJunge]

@Consept
Mainstream media is perfect for the purpose it was made for. It's the most brilliant and perfect weapon there has ever been on earth.

[Consept]

Just so you know these are all of Ceravichs false claims that he's put out over the last couple years, are we realistically saying all these are true or is he someone who's spreading misinformation for whatever his reasons are - https://www.mediamatters.org/maga-trolls/mike-cernovichs-far-right-conspiracy-theories-bigotry-and-association-white#1

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Consept

[LaucherJunge]

@Consept
Why are you so convinced that it's misinformation? Maybe he is spreading the truth?
I see that he is asking valid question. Maybe he does jump to conclusions too fast but can you really judge him that easily without really knowing what he knows?
This is a natural reaction against media that doesn't ask these questions.
 

[Leo Gura]

Here you go again.