Objection To Leo Guras Certainty

[Consept]

40 minutes ago, neovox said:

Leo says over and over and over again in his videos to not take any of this on as dogma, and to get off our asses and find out for ourselves. He talks about how we have to do our part and not make this into a religion or cult. How do we do that? Do the work. Become more conscious. He speaks with certainty because he has passion and charisma, but don't make this about him. Put in the work. 

Good point, if you are expecting one person to be the source of all your info then you will always ultimately be disappointed in that person. Self actualization means actualize yourself. Like I said Leo does have his blind spots but he is a human and if you learn from someone else they will also be a human. As he develops maybe these blind spots will close but really that's his own journey and not really anyone's business but his own. 

Thinking about it this is a very open forum and he is dealing with ideas that can become dogmatic so I think he's done very well in terms of not turning this into a cult, everywhere else seems to have some strong die hard narrative trying to red pill people, at least its not like that here 

[DivineSoda]

4 hours ago, UnconsciousHuman said:

@Preety_India @RendHeaven

@DivineSoda You yourself made a post telling Leo to take his own advice. You recognize Leos tonality just as well as I do. 

You focused on your own flaws and thats great man! But I dont see why you cant point out some one elses... That makes no sense to me.

In your reply to me you imply to just focus on my self and dismiss pointing out some important crutial egotistical behavior that I see. I say naaah, Im bored af during this quarantine so I might as well say my thought?

And finally, dont like it how you try to play the altruistic higher ground by dismissing what I posted in a non direct way when you yourself see the same thing. Haha

Much love stay healthy.

I hear ya man.. that's why I said I focus on myself when conscious. When I'm not conscious, yea some of the shit Leo says on this forum bothers me. But that's my own shit and I realize that only after I post. So that's why I'm suggesting, take a look at what it means for you to point all this out. 

I didn't mean to come across as judging you. I apologize ?

[Natasha]

2 hours ago, Moreira said:

I never trusted Leo when he said that consciousness exist outside the body like a orange or brick wall have consciousness.

Consciousness is not feature of brain activity, it's the substance of reality, which includes everything. 

[Forestluv]

@UnconsciousHuman You seem to be judging outcome without considering process. . . Imagine that I dedicated five years to exploring a forest. I spent 10s of thousands of hours within that forest investigating. The process involves lots of uncertainty, confusion and frustration. It is a messy process. . . Then after 30,000 hours of explorations and observations, I’ve got a sense of the forest and I want to communicate my understanding to others. You’ve never been in the forest before and I try to communicate what the forest is like in a clear manner. You then say “You seem too certain”. Of course I will seem certain, I’ve spent 30,000 hours in that forest!!! If someone has not undergone the messy process of investigation and exploration, s/he may perceive those that have as being overly certain. 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Serotoninluv

[Moreira]

19 hours ago, Natasha said:

Consciousness is not feature of brain activity, it's the substance of reality, which includes everything. 

But the field of consciousness cannot recognise himself as a entity at the same time because it would imply duality.

The "I'm aware" feeling can only be felt as a human.

[Consept]

5 minutes ago, Moreira said:

But the field of consciousness cannot recognise himself as a entity at the same time because it would imply duality.

The "I'm aware" feeling can only be felt as a human.

You could think of consciousness as the radio waves and the human as the radio. The 'im aware' feeling is consciousness inhabiting the human body, we feel we're aware because the human brain is advanced enough to be aware, but for consciousness to realise that it is truly consciousness it cant do it on a mind level. Same way if the radio just thinks its a radio it wont be aware that it is in fact the radio waves if its attached to being the radio haha

[Leo Gura]

God is fully capable of recognizing itself as being aware.

God is not some kind of cripple.

[Natasha]

5 hours ago, Moreira said:

But the field of consciousness cannot recognise himself as a entity at the same time because it would imply duality.

The "I'm aware" feeling can only be felt as a human.

Yea because you identify as a body-mind. A rock, for example, doesn't do it, it's self-aware without that reference to identify.

5 hours ago, Consept said:

You could think of consciousness as the radio waves and the human as the radio. The 'im aware' feeling is consciousness inhabiting the human body, we feel we're aware because the human brain is advanced enough to be aware, but for consciousness to realise that it is truly consciousness it cant do it on a mind level. Same way if the radio just thinks its a radio it wont be aware that it is in fact the radio waves if its attached to being the radio haha

Good one 

[DrewNows]

Shrek is awareness, donkey’s the ego and together they cross the long rickety narrow bridge sitting over boiling hot lava
This scene is great, what’s it represent for you 

[UnconsciousHuman]

@Serotoninluv That makes great sense.

[UnconsciousHuman]

@Natasha

On 18/04/2020 at 4:04 PM, Natasha said:

Consciousness is not feature of brain activity, it's the substance of reality, which includes everything. 

So let me dissect this.

When you say consciousness, I understand you mean, perceiving, so perception is not something that is local to the brain rather it is universal. But what about thoughts, what role do they play and where are they in consciousness? Are they a byproduct of the brain? because it seems that I can have 1 thought while you can have another so that to me means that thoughts are local and not universal. 

 

[Consept]

1 hour ago, UnconsciousHuman said:

@Natasha

So let me dissect this.

When you say consciousness, I understand you mean, perceiving, so perception is not something that is local to the brain rather it is universal. But what about thoughts, what role do they play and where are they in consciousness? Are they a byproduct of the brain? because it seems that I can have 1 thought while you can have another so that to me means that thoughts are local and not universal. 

 

Are you your thoughts or are you the witness of your thoughts?

[Natasha]

3 hours ago, UnconsciousHuman said:

@Natasha

So let me dissect this.

When you say consciousness, I understand you mean, perceiving, so perception is not something that is local to the brain rather it is universal. But what about thoughts, what role do they play and where are they in consciousness? Are they a byproduct of the brain? because it seems that I can have 1 thought while you can have another so that to me means that thoughts are local and not universal. 

 

Thoughts are energy forms with illusory content. They rise and disappear within the Absolute/Consciousness/Awareness/God, like every other form, including the brain. Consciousness is like a big clear screen and everything else are pixels in the never ending movie. Everything seems real to the characters/forms/pixels, the screen is the facilitator. It doesn't discriminate among the pixels. To the screen the perception IS the perceptor and visa versa. The illusory content of our thoughts comes from the ego-mind, which again is only real to the forms/pixels, not the screen itself. That's why the Absolute is also referred to as Everything and Nothing (in our example, the pixels and the screen).