What does your rational mind equate to success?

[Parththakkar12]

I just realized something : Our rational minds are hardwired to chase material success in some way, shape or form. The rational minds of each and every one of us measures success in some sort of metric like money, status, fame, physical strength, etc.

This is what my rational mind equates to success : Solving technically difficult problems, i.e. the solutions to them would count as material success.

The more dots I connect, the more I realize that this is what my rational mind has been doing my whole life.

What is it for you?

[Average Investor]

Survival plays a big part in the need to gain that stuff. Approval of others etc. It is one of the traps in life that can make many stuck their for their entire life just chasing the cheese. I would try to get it figured out as soon as you can. By that I mean actually studying those that have successfully beat the game of money. There is a large amount of books and options on what ways you can pursue it. It also isn't that easy, but if someone were to spend a lot of time researching early on it will make a huge difference in the level of freedom and the rate that it will come at. 

I am focused in on it a bit myself, but I am starting to see a lot of progress. If I stick with this stuff for even a couple more years I think that I am going to be doing really well by then. I am starting to see some big results. But it all takes time. I have been trying to figure this out for awhile. 

[universe]

I like this quote from Leo "what if success means to you; growing your capacity to love?".

Thats a real success for me.

Also increasing my time spend being creative.

[Parththakkar12]

7 hours ago, universe said:

I like this quote from Leo "what if success means to you; growing your capacity to love?".

Thats a real success for me.

Also increasing my time spend being creative.

That's not what I mean! The rational mind is not about expanding love, it's about material, tangible success/achievement/productivity. Growing your capacity to love is more of an intuitive thing which happens when your consciousness expands.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Parththakkar12

[Preety_India]

 

What if someone gave you all your material needs and told you that you never have to worry about survival anymore.. 

I guarantee you that you will stop thinking the rational way and not be interested in chasing money or material success. 

To me all material success is bullshit. 

Look at the  coronavirus. Even the rich die with the poor.

Virus does not discriminate.. 

The universe gives you a higher calling, listen to the universe, it calls you to invest in love and empathy and joy. 

Real success of entire humanity lies in everyone loving each other unconditionally. 

Till then all material  success is like trinkets and pearls. All glitter no gold. 

 

 

[Hello from Russia]

I came to the conclusion lately that all this doppy-moppy love and other stage green stuff works well only when you're secure financially. Going for this doppy-shmoppy love without being financially secure cases a TON OF unnessary suffering 

Edited April 18, 2020 by Hello from Russia

[Parththakkar12]

35 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

What if someone gave you all your material needs and told you that you never have to worry about survival anymore.. 

I guarantee you that you will stop thinking the rational way and not be interested in chasing money or material success. 

My point here is that individual success/achievement is a much broader notion than material success, i.e. money, status, fame, physical strength, etc. Each individual's rational mind defines success differently. For example, your rational mind may define success as achieving mental clarity. For me, it's problem-solving. For someone else, it could be getting good at carpentry and creating artistic furniture. For someone else, it could be social climbing and getting the biggest contacts.

Technically speaking, the rational mind has nothing to do with having a higher calling/life purpose. It's all about pragmatism, mental creativity, goal-oriented thinking, strategizing, analysis, critical thinking, getting better with practice, acquiring strength/power, moving forward. Now, you can use this in a selfish, egotistical, narcissistic, hedonistic manner such that all you care about is personal achievement and winning. Or, you could also awaken to the reality that winning isn't everything, which is where your quest for a life purpose begins! This is where all your strength/skills can be repurposed and redirected.

Having said that, I still believe that humans are hardwired to seek more strength, success, achievement. The reason is that we have egos, which are insatiable by definition.

Your quest for a life purpose will involve a different kind of enquiry, like what are your highest values, what kind of life do you want, what do you want to contribute to society, what kind of professional relationships do you want, etc. This is more of a vulnerable, heart-centered endeavor. Your rational mind will still be there with its tools and strengths, waiting to be repurposed!

Your rational mind will have unique strengths/priorities. According to that, you will have your own pragmatic ideas/insights relative to your goals. What does your rational mind prioritize?

Edited April 18, 2020 by Parththakkar12

[Preety_India]

 

I can say I have given up my rational mind. 

I only have a logical mind now. I try to see the logic in everything. I try to connect the dots.. 

I no longer associate with rationalists. They can be very stuck in their thinking. Maybe it's good. 

But I'm going more and more green everyday. 

Green is about harmony and the ecosystem. I'm more focused on the ecosystem than the self. 

I know my thinking pattern resembles hippie culture lol. 

I don't like governments and systems and rules. And rule makers. I don't like materialism and consumerism. 

I don't like rigid systems and rigid people. 

I don't like blue stage people so I find it difficult to connect with stage blue people because I don't resonate with their way of thinking. 

I am a free bird. Totally free of society's bullshit rules and rigidity. Society to me is an illusion. 

 

I'm a hippie at heart. 

 

 

[Parththakkar12]

3 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I can say I have given up my rational mind. 

I only have a logical mind now. I try to see the logic in everything. I try to connect the dots.. 

I no longer associate with rationalists. They can be very stuck in their thinking. Maybe it's good. 

Ah okay. There's a semantic gap. You're talking about rationalism, which is a materialistic science-based Darwinian ideology. I'm talking about the rational mind which is hardwired into humans.

4 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

But I'm going more and more green everyday. 

Green is about harmony and the ecosystem. I'm more focused on the ecosystem than the self. 

I know my thinking pattern resembles hippie culture lol. 

I don't like governments and systems and rules. And rule makers. I don't like materialism and consumerism. 

I don't like rigid systems and rigid people. 

I don't like blue stage people so I find it difficult to connect with stage blue people because I don't resonate with their way of thinking. 

I am a free bird. Totally free of society's bullshit rules and rigidity. Society to me is an illusion. 

 

I'm a hippie at heart. 

I respect that. You may have to switch cultures to find like-minded people though. It can be very rewarding if you're able to do that!

[Preety_India]

 

 

Read @electroBeam 's post. To me it's the greatest post ever made  on Actualized.org.

That's how life has to be for me.. Right now I don't have the confidence to pursue it. But at some point I will follow his lifestyle and thinking. It is connected to the earth in the most holistic way. 

It's not necessary that everyone should follow it, of course some people might not like it, and I'm not saying that everyone should follow him. But can't deny that it's a near perfect way of living the life mother earth wanted us to live.. 

At some point when you will be free of society's conditioning you'll begin to resonate with his lifestyle and thinking. 

When you grow spiritually every day you will resonate more and more with nature. 

My favorite thread. Please take a moment to read. 

 

 

 

[Preety_India]

6 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

I respect that. You may have to switch cultures to find like-minded people though. It can be very rewarding if you're able to do that!

You are right about it. I have found a person who understands me. He is also Stage Green. He is from another culture. 

I feel very connected with him. That's where my heart is. 

 

 

[universe]

13 hours ago, Parththakkar12 said:

That's not what I mean! The rational mind is not about expanding love, it's about material, tangible success/achievement/productivity. Growing your capacity to love is more of an intuitive thing which happens when your consciousness expands.

For you it might be intuitive, for me its a rational decision based on personal observations and studies from behavioral sciences.

Maybe that is what you mean with "rational mind", mine likes to gather information.