Illusory Thoughts Discussion

[DizIzMikey]

 

ab·stract

adjective

abˈstrakt,ˈabˌstrakt/

1.

existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.

"abstract concepts such as love or beauty"

synonyms:theoretical, conceptual, notional, intellectual, metaphysical, ideal, philosophical,academic; 

rareideational

"abstract concepts"

 

I drop a book onto the floor

Gravity has a concrete physical existence because I can physically drop a book on the floor and say it is gravity

It is no longer a force within my mind, but brought out into the real world. However concrete would be something that is accepted by everyone? 

But concrete is

con·crete

ˈkänˌkrēt,ˌkänˈkrēt/

adjective

1.

existing in a material or physical form; real or solid; not abstract.

"concrete objects like stones"

synonyms:solid, material, real, physical, tangible, palpable, substantial, visible, existing

"concrete objects"

 

When a book drops to the ground and we call it gravity, and if its possible to convince the whole world that it is gravity... is it gravity?

I have come to the conclusion that even if the whole world would accept it, it doesn't make it true because

It would still be a belief...it wouldn't be concrete... it would be a fading thought so gravity is still an abstract symbol 

But if it is so abstract how come we can come to an agreement of an abstract symbol?

Persuasion, Convincing? ... 

Well indoctrination but without the religion, and in fact ideas like gravity do have a religious following

and vocabulary.com needs to update there definition of of indoctrination .. totally inaccurate to say that certain religions don't let you question or criticize them, when you do it just comes with hefty penalties it seems.

Anyways back to the point...

So simply every belief or thought and image is questionable

How mind bending, why even have any beliefs at all?????

To have no beliefs or thoughts would to be mindless 

I have concluded that the only way to reach PERHAPS any kind of "Truth" would be to meditate and find silence within meditating.

Everything is questionable ... pretty freaky, I don't like this at all

 

 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2016 by DizIzMikey

[99th_monkey]

whats funny about it?

[DizIzMikey]

@99th_monkey The things my mind makes up with symbols 

[99th_monkey]

its great you see it that waym but again why is it funny?

 

i just realized the big edit lemme re-read

Edited July 1, 2016 by 99th_monkey
^^^^^

[99th_monkey]

ok its good to take on an external "norm" like gravity. its nice to get the wheels spinning. BUT its more productive to go inside rather then outside. gravity (concept or not) still exists to enlightened beings. what is it that doesnt?

[DizIzMikey]

 

THE EXTERNAL WORLD

The external world is a thought or an idea until you experience it, pretty odd to think about that.. it saddens me that I cannot prove the external world exists when I close my eyes.... it is like it isn't there until I open my eyes .. makes me panic a bit, but it doesn't mean it is not there, 

It just means I can't prove its there until I see its there, and that goes for everything else including my loved ones, which hurts, but nonetheless I don't know if they exist or do not because they tell me of the experiences that they had, as if they lived it

So it is a possibility that we all exist as individuals from my current understanding, maybe we are all "god" having multiple experiences.. this seems to make sense, however again this only a theory and nothing that can be proved which is a bit frustrating.

So in conclusion the external world when I close is my eyes is only a theory

But as well... it is still a possibility that they do exist in a different "timeframe" as well

However both are theories until I know otherwise

But it is comforting that at least it is a theory they exist with or without me potentially 

I'd like to prove the theory that they do exist while I'm over here but that's way beyond me as of right now I need to heal myself.

VERY INTERESTING THOUGH

 

 

[99th_monkey]

i feel you in your pain for wanting the proof of it all. the thing is, is that the question of them even being provable is what is causing the whole "is it real? is it not real?" argument. because weather you realize it or not, your not trying to convince yourself of something really existing or not (you already know that answer) your trying to prove if that concept exists or not. and thats what mind attaches to, is the concept. 

[DizIzMikey]

GOD 

What is GOD?

GOD the word is composed of abstract symbols, an idea 

IDEA OF ME

What is Me?

Me is an idea or thought ... Michael is arbitrary symbols .. I have been thinking that I am a thought

The blackness that I stare at when I close eyes is me, but that cannot be me because it hasn't been concrete for me or proven to myself that that is me..... I am groundless of who I am... I don't know who I am... saddening depressive

I don't know how not knowing who you are isn't emotionally disturbing, because for me.. it totally ruffles my feathers that

I DONT KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM!!! lololol 

 

[99th_monkey]

and who is all this a problem for?

[DizIzMikey]

@99th_monkey Well yes a worthy endeavor, to prove whether a concept is or not is a daunting task

And it's worthy for the sake of others and for myself, but yes... that is pretty much the basis of what I'm doing

It is good to question everything because perhaps it will lead to peace of mind, until i can get rid of my mind 

Also.. when I write this out, it helps me dearly

Hopefully it helps someone out there as well

 

Nonetheless the conclusion thus far for me is every thought is an abstract symbol that cannot be proven to be the thing it is,

UNTIL  it is proven that it is or is not, and even if it is "PROVEN" AKA universally accepted, it is still subject to questioning.. which is pretty freaky eerie.

Like even being enlightened whatever that may be, is still questionable because.. how do you really know you are enlightened?

What if it is an accepted lie? ....... After all, before the Aztec population thought it was acceptable to cut out hearts, and that was plenty of people, what if enlightenment is a modern mind control technique invented to create a submissive populace?

 

[DizIzMikey]

@99th_monkey

and who is all this a problem for?

Who knows... that's why we do self development work

I could get technical but I'd rather not

Neve rmind

Whoever makes it a problem for themselves

You see, it isn't a problem until you make it a problem, but that's like saying... Hey... We're feeding people massively horrible heart disease causing food to everyone, so lets have everyone else worry about it, because I don't need to worry about it, which you do not, rather.. maybe do something about it.

 

 

[99th_monkey]

you're looking for answers, otherwise  you wouldnt have posted. 

cmon man