Mandatory Vaccination

[LfcCharlie4]

These are a good place to start- Brian has been podcast of the year for me so far, very balanced viewpoints and fighting for truth. 

 

https://londonreal.tv/the-iceman-guide-to-survival-instantly-boost-your-immune-system-with-wim-hof/

https://londonreal.tv/dr-bruce-lipton-coronavirus-epigenetics-immune-system-most-dangerous-part-of-covid-19-is-fear/

 

[Soulbass]

i hope "not eating animals" is mandatory

[TrynaBeTurquoise]

8 hours ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

@TrynaBeTurquoise  Where do you use the gymnastics rings though? 

Sprinting is awesome. 

Yeah I miss the gym, was really trying to make some progress this year, but it's been really fun working out outside in the sunshine, good for the WHM when it's cold also  

 

Answer- Because he knows how to heal and sees through the BS medical paradigm we live in right now of symptom management for $$$$

Haha yes, Wim Hof method everyday is a must. You don't see the profit-free disease curing health practices on the media 

The rings can go hand and hand with that, can install on the right horizontal tree branch. 

 

[DrewNows]

@LfcCharlie4 try doing nothing, how hard might that be  

also you gotten into body weight workouts? Short intense training is excellent, burpees, squats and some of the routines athlean x shares are pretty awesome for no equipment training. Also consider looking into yoga, using this time to get into body/breath connection in movement while working on flexibility? Yoga with an amazing teacher what id consider to be a catalyst for meditation and putting the mind in its place, maybe Kriya?  
Also I find that simply doing any activities that create high vibes is the way to go for moving energy or boosting immune system, whether that’s dancing, singing, cooking, walking, or being creative. Staying highly in tune with the body is such a gift, something to cherish in every moment if you ask me. You may find that not only will your health improve but even those around you may benefit from that energy 

Like wim hof, we should all welcome the virus because it manifests to help us grow no matter what it may appear to do, sickness is a blessing in disguise. Sometimes it’s exactly what must occur to knock some sense into those who live in resistance and feel paralyzed to make change 
 

 

[DrewNows]

Here's an awesome questionnaire recommended for anyone struggling to do research on the implications of vaccines and how to minimize the risks. Cheeers! 

1. Name 5 vaccine ingredients.
2. What is MRC-5?
3. What is WI-38?
4. What is vaccine court?
5. What is the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program?
6. What is the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act?
7. How has the CDC schedule changed since 1986?
8. How much money has been paid out by vaccine injury court?
9. How many doses of how many vaccines are in the CDC schedule between birth and age
10. Do vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue? If so, which vaccines? And how many aborted babies were needed before they found one with the virus necessary to create the vaccine?
11. Do any vaccines contain dog, monkey, pig, and human DNA?
12. What is an adjuvant?
13. What is an antigen?
14. Which arm of the immune system do vaccines stimulate?
15. Which arms of the immune system do natural diseases stimulate?
16. What is transverse myelitis?
17. What is encephalopathy?
18. What is the rate of autism in 2017, what was it in 2000? What was it in 1990?
19. What is glyphosate and is it in vaccines?
20. If your child is injured, who will take physical, emotional, and financial responsibility?
21. What was the Supreme Court’s statement on vaccines in 2011?
22. Can you provide a study showing vaccinated vs. unvaccinated health outcomes?
23. Can you show me a safety study proving it is safe to inject multiple vaccines?
24. What is shedding?
25. Do vaccines shed? Which vaccines can shed for up to 6 weeks?
26. Which vaccines are live virus vaccines?
27. What is the VICP?
28. What is SV40?
29. What is MTHFR (methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase)?
30. What is an acceptable amount of aluminum to ingest per day and how much is injected via the hep B vaccine on day one of life?
31. Can someone who was vaccinated for pertussis still spread pertussis after being exposed to it? If so, for how long?
32. What is the death rate from measles in the US from 2005-2015? From the MMR vaccine in same time frame?
33. What does attenuated mean?
34. Where can I find information about vaccines?
35. Are there vaccine consent forms?
36. Can the vial stopper cause allergic reaction?
37. Can there be serious reactions to vaccines?
38. What is NVIC?
39. Is there any compensation for physicians who have a certain percentage of their patients vaccinated?

[Forestluv]

26 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

10. Do vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue? If so, which vaccines? And how many aborted babies were needed before they found one with the virus necessary to create the vaccine?

This is such a poor frame and misleading. They frame it as if there may be aborted fetal tissue in vaccines. As well, the second frame has an underlying assumption that aborted ‘babies’ are being screened for viruses and that aborted ‘babies’ are being used for vaccine development. This is highly misleading and disingenuous.

In the 1960s cell culture lines were developed from two aborted fetuses. These cell lines have been maintained and some vaccine development uses these cells in cell culture. Aborted ‘babies’ are not being used to “find viruses to create vaccines” and vaccines do not contain fetal tissue. 

Here is a simple explanation:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-tissue-260337

The other questions seem fair, yet nearly all are oriented toward vaccine risks. That has value, yet it would be nice to balance learning about potential risks with learning about benefits. To make a risk vs benefit analysis, we need all the information. 

[SgtPepper]

Yes because I am immunocompromised, so they're helpful for me, and I have never had an ill effect from getting a vaccine. 

Didn't realize there was a lot of anti-vaxxers here, but I'll check out some of these videos.

edit:

Can anybody post a legitimate source on the types of heavy metals in a vaccine? 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-thimerosal-color-office.pdf

In this pdf, they link multiple studies that indicate no casual relation with neurological disorders and vaccines. I do think vaccines are harmful if a person does not have the immune system ready to fight it because I have read literature related to that. I am more inclined that the impact of pollution and processed foods in combination with abuse of Pharma drugs are the cause of unhealthy babies who develop neurological disorders. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by SgtPepper

[TrynaBeTurquoise]

@LfcCharlie4 @DrewNows @Serotoninluv Thoughts on this study?

 

[DrewNows]

1 hour ago, Serotoninluv said:

The other questions seem fair, yet nearly all are oriented toward vaccine risks. That has value, yet it would be nice to balance learning about potential risks with learning about benefits. To make a risk vs benefit analysis, we need all the information. 

It's not exactly hard to find the benefits, always in plain sight when doing research, however, knowing what questions to ask and analyze the potential risks/dangers is another story for most in my opinion. Realizing what knowledge we are already armed with and knowing it's not always obvious to question agendas, so this questionnaire definitely has an agenda for exposing the risks and questioning the motives, triggering for some (like joining an antivaxxer website) but it's a perspective worth considering before throwing out information.

@TrynaBeTurquoise shared on Instagram? yup, seems suspect  (kidding, wow it's interesting) 

Edited April 17, 2020 by DrewNows

[Forestluv]

@TrynaBeTurquoise I looked over the first Wolff paper. Keep in mind that this was not conducted with the current coronavirus (sar-cov2). Coronavirus is a family of viral strains and this study looked at a different corona viral strain in 2017-2018.

The study looked at viral interference - which is a phenomenon by which a cell infected by a viral strain develops cross immunity to a another strain, most likely due to release of interferon. The study subsequent viral infections between two groups that were previously vaccinated with flu shots or previously unvaccinated.

The overall finding was that vaccines offered statistically significant cross protection for most viruses studied, no significant protection for some viruses, and slight (yet significant) decrease in resistance for a couple virus strains.

This is consistent with the general view of vaccines. That vaccines offer very strong protection for specific virus, strong protection for some related viruses, no protection for some related viruses and greater susceptibility to a small minority of viruses. Overall, this data does not argue against vaccines. One would need to cherry pick data and misinterpret this study as arguing against vaccines. 

We’ve also got to be careful how statistics are interpreted, especially with studies involving many pairwise T-tests. Also, whether a statistically significant result is meaningful or not in degree. Quite often a statistically significant result shows efficacy, yet no efficiency. For example, there have been studies that showed flu medication statistically significantly reduced the duration someone suffers from the flu. A pharmaceutical company may declare “Our flu medication shows statistically significant reduction in flu duration!!!!. Yet upon closer inspection, the medication does shorten the duration, yet only by 1 hr. So, there are two things at play: significant efficacy (shorter duration), yet without effectiveness (it’s only shortened by 1 hr). Who cares if someone’s flu symptoms are reduced from 120hrs to 119hrs? . . . That is in play within this article.

In terms of the statistical analysis, it looks like the did pairwise T-tests which become problematic when lots of pairwise tests are done (as in this study). A p value < 0.05 is considered statistically significant. A p value of 0.05 means that there is a 5% chance that the difference between to groups is due to randomness. However, if we do 20 pairwise T-tests and they all have a p value of 0.05, that does not mean every pairwise tests is significant. This is a common misinterpretation. 20 pairwise tests with each test having a p = 0.05 means that is likely one (or more) of those pairwise tests are actually not significant. This is why it’s important to do analyses, such as ANOVA, that have greater statistical power. It is one reason the authors concluded that overall, as a population of pairwise tests together, there was no effect. This needs to be considered when we examine individual pairwise tests.

If we look at individual pairwise tests, most showed positive viral interference - which means people who get vaccines have higher cross resistance to related strains than unvaccinated people. Many of these showed very strong cross resistance. This is a benefit of vaccines. Not only do they protect the person from specific viral strains (within the vaccine cocktail), they also offer protection for related strains. For a couple viruses, they found very slight (yet significant increase in susceptibility). This is where the cherry picking and manipulation of statistics comes in. We need to look at the whole picture and degree., Consider the following scenario (I am making up these numbers to articulate the point):

A vaccine offers: 99% resistance to 50 specific viral strains, 60% resistance to 32 viral strains and 2% higher susceptibility to 3 viral strains. If we say “Ah ha! Look vaccines are bad people are more susceptible to virus after getting vaccinated!!”. This is highly misleading - which people with agendas often do. It’s highly misleading. Overall, the vaccine offers STRONG (60-99% resistance) to 82 viral strains and a TINY (2%) susceptibility to 3 viruses. If we cherry pick only the three viruses that showed a tiny increased susceptibility and have a title that says “Vaccinations increase susceptibility to viral infections”, it is misleading and in some contexts, dishonest and unethical. 

There are two things I would say are misleading and lack integrity in how the data was presented by the fellow in your link. First, he cherry picked specific data and second his title only included efficacy and not efficiency. He did include a chart showing efficiency. However, the title is still misleading and it puts the burden on the reader to figure out efficiency within the histogram. This is a common slight of hand. . . These are two common misleading tactics that I find annoying.   

[Forestluv]

15 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

It's not exactly hard to find the benefits, always in plain sight when doing research, however, knowing what questions to ask and analyze the potential risks/dangers is another story for most in my opinion.

I agree. I just would have titled it to indicate it was learning about adverse implications of vaccines. Generally when I write I don’t like putting the reader in a position to figure out assumptions or make inferences - unless it’s totally obvious. Yet I’m a stickler for that type of thing since I do a lot of work in this area. 

[DrewNows]

1 hour ago, Keyhole said:

So instead of anti-vax, why not safer-vax?  It's a win win for everyone.

Yup there's a movement it's called vaccine safety and it was a stepping stone for me a while back, this is the video i watched on it...which was interesting to say the least

 

[LfcCharlie4]

@Keyhole I would add man made climate change to your list of things to research and see what you find....;) 

@TrynaBeTurquoise RFK a fellow man fighting for freedom? I’ve seen him big on Vaccine safety and obviously his heritage has been pivotal in going against the establishment, I haven’t done much research on him though. Is he a genuine guy? 

[Leo Gura]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm craving a bat burger.

[GodDesireOnlyLove]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know about you guys, but I'm craving a bat burger.

We eat frog burger over here, does that will make it ?

[DrewNows]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know about you guys, but I'm craving a bat burger.

I understand, be sure to hold out for the bat-made vaccine  

[Leo Gura]

22 hours ago, DrewNows said:

I understand, be sure to hold out for the bat-made vaccine  

Just smear the vaccine in mayo-form on top of my bat.

I like my mayo spicey.

[Free Mind]

11 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

There's two ways to read this comment ?

You won the forum

[DivineSoda]

If they are going to mandate vaccines, I love the idea of at least giving "anti-vaxxers" the option of infecting themselves with the disease, putting them in a controlled quarantine, and allowing them to exist among society only if they develop the proper anti-bodies.. otherwise sorry, we tried. Vaccine. 

It seems like a fair compromise, but I'm sure people will still find a way to complain/blame/shame.

[LaucherJunge]

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