Can we Skip one or multiple stages of Spiral Dynamics?

[innerchild]

I've been taking notes on the Spiral Dynamics series of Leo and referring multiple resources and materials as well. I'm really interested to delve deep into spiral dynamics in order to get a vivid idea about myself.

 

I had literally abnormal or unconventional way of growing up, due to my physical condition and difficulty in a speech I hadnt had a thought of interacting with others, even my only interaction or communication during my teenage years is talking with customer support dude to make complaints about faulty internet or something.

 

I had no idea about personal development, I didn't even think of possibilities for personal development, barely had any exercises. I was a totally spoiled, ignorant and drenched fully into denial and victimization.

 

Only back into 2016 (age of 22) I've started realizing my mistakes and actuality of the way I've chosen to exist. Since then I started reading many books, gave up my eating and porn addiction. I had taken exercises and learning as a serious business. So, now I'm almost discarded old way of living, limiting and self-destructive beliefs once I had. Of course there's lot room for personal and spiritual development.

 

So, here's my question. through the course of understanding dynamics of how society, culture and humanity work. I start to notice radical changes and transformation in my psyche and my limiting beliefs about success, happiness has skyrocketed to a whole new level.

 

Although I used to emanate significant qualities of stage blue. Yet I didn't experience stage green in my life yet. So, is it possible for oneself to skip or bypass stages of Spiral Dynamics (in a non-linear fashion)?

[cetus]

It's possible if one were to have a massive permanent awakening.

[Eph75]

I'd say no. Stages are not the same as states. Any stage can have awakening/enlightenment, that has nothing to do with stages. A permanent awakening is still not a stage leap. Stages have to be climbed and can't be skipped. Rushing through stages is possible, but it's likely to create shadow issues.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Eph75

[Scholar]

10 minutes ago, innerchild said:

I've been taking notes on the Spiral Dynamics series of Leo and referring multiple resources and materials as well. I'm really interested to delve deep into spiral dynamics in order to get a vivid idea about myself.

 

I had literally abnormal or unconventional way of growing up, due to my physical condition and difficulty in a speech I hadnt had a thought of interacting with others, even my only interaction or communication during my teenage years is talking with customer support dude to make complaints about faulty internet or something.

 

I had no idea about personal development, I didn't even think of possibilities for personal development, barely had any exercises. I was a totally spoiled, ignorant and drenched fully into denial and victimization.

 

Only back into 2016 (age of 22) I've started realizing my mistakes and actuality of the way I've chosen to exist. Since then I started reading many books, gave up my eating and porn addiction. I had taken exercises and learning as a serious business. So, now I'm almost discarded old way of living, limiting and self-destructive beliefs once I had. Of course there's lot room for personal and spiritual development.

 

So, here's my question. through the course of understanding dynamics of how society, culture and humanity work. I start to notice radical changes and transformation in my psyche and my limiting beliefs about success, happiness has skyrocketed to a whole new level.

 

Although I used to emanate significant qualities of stage blue. Yet I didn't experience stage green in my life yet. So, is it possible for oneself to skip or bypass stages of Spiral Dynamics (in a non-linear fashion)?

Not sure, from your perspective it doesn't matter if it's possible or not. Tier 2 is about integrating the Tier 1 stages, so instead of focusing going beyond Tier 1, focusing on integrating Tier 1.

Becoming Tier 2 is not equal to getting passed Tier 1, it is about integration of Tier 1 to the highest possible means.

 

To the degree to which you lack in Tier 1 integration, you lack in Tier 2.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Scholar

[Eph75]

So, the thing is that you can't read or conceptualize yourself into developmental growth, this has to happen by integration - i.e. by walking the talk and living the changes by challenging your limitations.

Through conceptualization you can create a facade through which you act, that is as long as you understand and recognize scenarios you have patterns to which you have a "stage behavior" that you "should" live up to. That's just being an actor on stage, being a jester to the audience so to speak.

You have to develop into the stages, integrating them. You can definitively get pulled into a stage, e.g. being born in the western world where the center of gravity is at a particular stage, but since you get pulled into that stage so quickly, it's not going to be fully integrated. Pushing forward without first addressing shadows which are negative sides of or lack of integration of previous stages will create some cognitive dissonance as you will end up thinking that you are "higher stage" material but at the same time you are unknowingly suffering from "lower stage limitation".

Really, the best thing that you can do is to read up on the model and get the best understanding that you can of what each stage, bottom up, where you have limitations that prevent you from developing and/or integrating previous stage. One of the fundamental problems with this - theoretically and from personal experience - is that you are not able to see nor understand the spiral before you have reached second tier. Pre-2nd-tier it will still be hugely beneficial when focusing and working on the limitations of the stages from a personal POV - integration. 

The whole awakening experience with stepping outside of yourself and experiencing watching yourself from somewhat of a third or fourth person perspective is hugely helpful here as you have to have a significant developmental shift in order to step outside of the limitations of pre-2nd-tier stages and "watch" yourself from a detached and distanced place in order to notice those limitations in yourself and also to be able to address them.

The feeling to want to "skip stages" is in fact something that is related to the very limitations of pre-tier-2 stage.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Eph75

[Thewritersunion]

There are infinite states and tiers and kingdoms; both up and down.

[Eph75]

@Thewritersunion Absolutely, the known states and tiers are only limited by the currently - and always - limited human mind.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Eph75