Be Fucking Patient! Summary

[QandC]

@charlie2dogs See, what you're going now is putting on this prophet role of yours, and that's not you being a conscious human being – that's just your ego bragging. The difference is that I admit my ego is enormous. It's so enormous it hindered me from seeing past the illusion when I had my enlightenment experience. But you know what? That's just reality. So let's accept the fact that I don't like your comments, and let's accept the fact that I might get banned from this forum. I've contributed enough

[QandC]

@Mal No, it was the "Stop being a smartass!"-video

[Mal]

6 minutes ago, Quizzer said:

@charlie2dogs See, what you're going now is putting on this prophet role of yours, and that's not you being a conscious human being – that's just your ego bragging. The difference is that I admit my ego is enormous. It's so enormous it hindered me from seeing past the illusion when I had my enlightenment experience. But you know what? That's just reality. So let's accept the fact that I don't like your comments, and let's accept the fact that I might get banned from this forum. I've contributed enough

*This is for the purposes of self-actualization*

Quizzer, 

You have unwittingly given us a great example of projection (this is your contribution here).  How can an enormous ego see reality?  You're projecting another sense of self into another person where in reality that sense of self doesn't exist.

So what you're doing is projecting your own image.  Everybody does it, nothing shameful, that's just how self operates.  It cannot ever know "what is", it can only see itself.

(I hope my comment was sufficiently serious for you) 

Edited June 28, 2016 by Mal

[charlie2dogs]

3 minutes ago, Quizzer said:

@charlie2dogs See, what you're going now is putting on this prophet role of yours, and that's not you being a conscious human being – that's just your ego bragging. The difference is that I admit my ego is enormous. It's so enormous it hindered me from seeing past the illusion when I had my enlightenment experience. But you know what? That's just reality. So let's accept the fact that I don't like your comments, and let's accept the fact that I might get banned from this forum. I've contributed enough

you never had an enlightenment experience, that i know for a fact,  and you arent contributing anything of any value now, just creating more nonsense for the forum and for what reason?

[QandC]

@charlie2dogs I've seen non-duality. I was depressed off my ass for about 3 weeks after that, I got sucked into the illusion again. 

Edited June 28, 2016 by Quizzer

[QandC]

@Mal Yeah I know. But I'm a narcissistic OCD-perfectionist with psychopathic behaviours... so there are many images of "my self" I have to break through before breaking through the ego. You can go figure how the "ego" couldn't handle seeing a peak of the Truth, which I DID experience

 

and btw... everything I write, or anyone else writes on this forum for that matter can be misunderstood since the English language doesn't have words for enlightenment yet. I wish I could communicate in another way, but no matter what I write, your mind is gonna filter it in the way it wants to

Edited June 28, 2016 by Quizzer

[charlie2dogs]

2 minutes ago, Quizzer said:

@charlie2dogs I've seen non-duality. I was depressed off my ass for about 3 weeks after that, because I got sucked into the illusion again. 

enlightened beings dont get sucked back into the illusions

[QandC]

@charlie2dogs THAT. RIGHT THERE means you don't know what you're talking about

sorry bro

Edited June 28, 2016 by Quizzer

[JevinR]

 

[charlie2dogs]

Just now, Quizzer said:

@charlie2dogs THAT. RIGHT THERE means you don't know what you're talking about

and how would you know you have never been enlightened

[QandC]

@charlie2dogs Oh, so you're enlightened? You see... even if I know I'm talking shit (which I've already admitted), your problem is that you CAN'T admit you might have flaws in what you're saying. 

[charlie2dogs]

Just now, Quizzer said:

@charlie2dogs Oh, so you're enlightened? You see... even if I know I'm talking shit (which I've already admitted), your problem is that you CAN'T admit you might have flaws in what you're saying. 

there is no flaw i said enlightened beings dont get sucked back into the illusion,  if i thought i was wrong i would have kept my mouth shut,

[QandC]

@charlie2dogs what is an "Enlightened being"? Aren't we all "enlightened" then? You're making Enlightenment into this big greek unreachable God without flaws (from human perspective, cuz' there obviously aren't any flaws in reality) . Enlightenment may happen to some people and they get the real deal, but other may see peaks of it and still "know" about it. It's not black & white, it's the greyest area there is

[Huz]

9 minutes ago, Quizzer said:

@charlie2dogs THAT. RIGHT THERE means you don't know what you're talking about

sorry bro

I think you misunderstood him. He said enlightened beings, people like the Buddha, Eckhart Tolle. They are self realised and completely have become self-liberated. They dont get sucked back into illusions. You probably had a samadhi experience or a glimpse into non-duality which isnt that hard to obtain. But you dont experience consiousness from that state permanently so you do get sucked back into illusions. You are not an enlightened being.

Edited June 28, 2016 by Huz88

[QandC]

@Huz88 Even the most enlightened being out there wouldn't call himself enlightened. You have completely misunderstood the concept of self-liberation my friend

[Huz]

3 minutes ago, Quizzer said:

@Huz88 Even the most enlightened being out there wouldn't call himself enlightened. You have completely misunderstood the concept of self-liberation my friend

Thats another concept. Is that the rule of enlightenment?

Just believe you misinterpreted his words.

 

Edited June 28, 2016 by Huz88

[charlie2dogs]

4 minutes ago, Quizzer said:

@charlie2dogs what is an "Enlightened being"? Aren't we all "enlightened" then? You're making Enlightenment into this big greek unreachable God without flaws (from human perspective, cuz' there obviously aren't any flaws in reality) . Enlightenment may happen to some people and they get the real deal, but other may see peaks of it and still "know" about it. It's not black & white, it's the greyest area there is

no everyone isnt enlightened, 99.99999% of humans have no idea what enlightenment is

 

[QandC]

@charlie2dogs I didn't say that. It was a rhetorical question... But there are stages of enlightenment. I'd say being dead is the most enlightened you could ever be. Below that are also enlightened people of course, but I don't even think they would say they are FULLLLYYYY liberated

Edited June 28, 2016 by Quizzer

[Mal]

@Quizzer

12 minutes ago, Quizzer said:

@Mal Yeah I know. But I'm a narcissistic OCD-perfectionist with psychopathic behaviours... so there are many images of "my self" I have to break through before breaking through the ego. You can go figure how the "ego" couldn't handle seeing a peak of the Truth, which I DID experience

 

and btw... everything I write, or anyone else writes on this forum for that matter can be misunderstood since the English language doesn't have words for enlightenment yet. I wish I could communicate in another way, but no matter what I write, your mind is gonna filter it in the way it wants to

Hey my friend, it's OK, 

I'm sorry to hear about those issues.  I believe that you had a non-dual experience, I read about it too because you posted it on here.  I read your history here man, and you have made a fine contribution, just like most have here.

And that is insightful what you said about people misunderstanding each other.  I'm coming to the conclusion myself that this sort of misunderstanding is happening constantly in the world, and there is no way around it.  It's everywhere, I was thinking about it today actually that if we really wanted to understand one another it would take hours of asking the other to define exactly where they are coming from.  Communication would be a nightmare!

So, kudos for that insight!

Your non-dual peek is valid.  It's the natural state after all.  All I was saying is that in ego mode all we have really is projection and assumption.  I thought it would be helpful to point that out.  Even if I'm just doing it for myself it's cool.

Thanks, and I appreciate your input here.

Mal

[QandC]

@Mal Nice. Thanks man. 

Let's end this in peace then... along with @charlie2dogs... Thank you.