Subject & Object/Relative & Absolute = Duality = Non Duality!!

[VeganAwake]

There isn't Subject and Object happening.

There isn't a ME observing everything else out there..that's Duality.

There isn't Relativity happening inside of Absolutely... that's Duality. 

Duality happens within the dream...

This can't be understood from the ME being here and everything else out there dualistic perspective.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

There isn't Subject and Object happening.

There isn't a ME observing everything else out there..that's Duality.

There isn't Relativity happening inside of Absolutely... that's Duality. 

Duality happens within the dream...

This can't be understood from the ME being here and everything else out there dualistic perspective.

 

 

Precisely! - in fact you didn't even post this.  What you posted is all imaginary and dualistic!  

You are still in the relative right now imagining the Absolute!   

But now -  when you say there is no relative (only the Absolute) and the relative is an illusion - while that's true from the Absolute, simultaneously and ironically it is the relative or illusion saying its an illusion!   Mindfuck.

It is basically knowing it conceptually.  Pure Being can't be grasped or thought as that is still the relative.  So when you say there is no relative from the relative it is like chasing your tail.

Its going around in circles.  Mystical non-dual state of Being or Consciousness is it but by saying that I'm just using language to point to something which is Infinity or everything and nothing.

 

 

 

 

[VeganAwake]

bro...lol holy smokes we've discussed this over a dozen times....

Just because something seems to be separate does not create actual Duality.

Duality is an illusion..

If someone see's an illusion of water in the desert and then recognizes it's an illusion, you don't go on to say, oh my gosh it's true there were two things happening... an illusion of water and the real desert.

 

[Inliytened1]

@VeganAwake i know.  I am not saying that saying that duality calling duality is an illusion is creating duality.  I am saying you have to be in duality to even say it.

 When i spoke to your friend Eric on the forum about non-dual, mystical states of consciousness it's like it didn't register for him.  I don't think he has had an actual awakening before but i don't know.   Everything seemed to be coming from a place of concept for him .   Again from the other post if one hasn't actually had a mystical experience they will really have no idea what I'm talking about but it's the real deal.   You are in duality right now.  But you won't know that until you collapse all duality.

Or in other words "die"

[VeganAwake]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@VeganAwake i know.  When i spoke to your friend Eric on the forum about non-dual, mystical states of consciousness it's like it didn't register for him.  I don't think he has had an actual awakening before but i don't know.   Everything seemed to be coming from a place of concept for him .   Again from the other post if one hasn't actually had a mystical experience they will really have no idea what I'm talking about but it's the real deal.   You are in duality right now.  But you won't know that until you collapse all duality.

Or in other words "die"

Bro mystical weird experiences aren't Awakening ...you need to understand that...

You can believe your God all day long....

that has nothing to do with Spiritual Awakening or Enlightenment at all...

Step 1 of understanding Spiritual Awakening or Enlightenment is actually knowing what it is lol.

 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Bro mystical weird experiences aren't Awakening ...you need to understand that...

You can believe your God all day long....

 

Check my edit about duality.   

 But if you haven't had a non-dual state of consciousness yet then yes you will think its just some weird thing.  But it is actually a state of samadhi as in your samadhi video.  It is the collapse of the subject object into total Oneness - what you and i call death.  

 

[Pacific Sage]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

 

There isn't a ME observing everything else out there..that's Duality.

 

 

@VeganAwake

What did you mean by this? Am sorry I did not get this.

[VeganAwake]

8 minutes ago, Pacific Sage said:

@VeganAwake

What did you mean by this? Am sorry I did not get this.

It's hard to explain:

Your body has been conditioned since birth... you have been given a name and conditioning your entire life... you have beliefs thoughts ideas and perceptions about yourself...

That whole story isn't real it's absolutely an illusion...

This whole time there has been an empty body with an illusory individual living inside of it..

Your body is like an animals but there is an individual Me living inside of it.

[Pacific Sage]

1 minute ago, VeganAwake said:

It's hard to explain:

Your body has been conditioned since birth... you have been given a name and conditioning your entire life... you have beliefs thoughts ideas and perceptions about yourself...

That whole story isn't real it's absolutely an illusion...

This whole time there has been an empty body with an illusory individual living inside of it..

Your body is like an animals but there is an individual Me living inside of it.

That is very true. The ego is a made for survival, once you master survival you don't need your ego anymore. Everything is an illusion! But what's true is the observer, there is an observer in you. When you think to yourself there is a transmitter and a receiver. Maybe one may find more solace in trying to observe the receiver.

[VeganAwake]

Your body has been conditioned and knows what to do to survive...

It's the sense of me ...the individual that is the illusion...

That sense of me was not there at Birth ....it grows

[Pacific Sage]

If you are aware that the body is conditioned, and if you think it's bad why don't you do something to reverse it since you already have the awareness that it's conditioned?