Leo - are you in ‘Permanent Non-dual Awareness’?

[EntheogenTruthSeeker]

I know you’ve said such scales of Ramaji’s n what not is not accurate, but it seems like the psychedelic states are great but does it quench that thirsting for a permanent enlightenment awareness? 
 

like compare your baseline level of consciousness from pre-mushroom trip report video or 5MeO. 
 

Thanks! 

[Leo Gura]

You don't understand. There is no such thing as temporary or permanent.

Ramaji is not Awake.

[EntheogenTruthSeeker]

@Leo Gura haha thank you. Without enough psychedelic experience I’m obviously unable to see that. 
 

Could you elaborate a bit more on why there’s no temporary or impermanent? All imagination?

[EntheogenTruthSeeker]

@Leo Gura Also, I’ve had 4 RASA transmissions with little results or from my own inquiry work. 
 

Is that enough to decide if doesn’t work? 
 

Views on RASA/Shaktipat after your big awakening? 

[Derek White]

@Leo Gura What practices do you do nowadays? Or do you just do psychedelics?

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Shiva said:

Is there even such a thing as awake or non-awake then?

Yes, there is definitely such a thing as awake vs non-awake. And there are many degrees and orders of magnitude of awakeness.

22 minutes ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

@Leo Gura Could you elaborate a bit more on why there’s no temporary or impermanent? All imagination?

Like I said in my series: Understanding Duality, that's a duality.

Your mind is imagining a distinction between temporary things and permanent things.

In fact, all consciousness is Eternal and Absolute. Awakening transcends time since consciousness imagines time.

If awakening was permanent how could anyone ever awaken? -- since they would already have been awake!

God can exist in various states of self-awareness. In some states God is not self-aware at all. In other states God is mildly self-aware. And in other states God is fully self-aware. There are not just 3 or 10 of these states. There are thousands if not more.

14 minutes ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

@Leo Gura Also, I’ve had 4 RASA transmissions with little results or from my own inquiry work. 
Is that enough to decide if doesn’t work?

Hard to say. I've heard from reliable people that it can be very helpful. But I haven't done it.

Maybe try a few more times and if you still don't feel any difference, then call it quits.

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Views on RASA/Shaktipat after your big awakening? 

It could be helpful, but the people doing it are not what I could consider Awake.

You will not fully Awaken via shaktipat. But that doesn't make it bad.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Derek White said:

@Leo Gura What practices do you do nowadays? Or do you just do psychedelics?

Either psychedelics or just sitting in silence.

[Raptorsin7]

@Leo Gura Cold showers are awesome third eye work if you just run the cold water over your head until it hurts.

[Derek White]

@Leo Gura What do you think about just sitting down and not getting up ever?

Just observing reality; total surrender?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Derek White said:

@Leo Gura What do you think about just sitting down and not getting up ever?

Just observing reality; total surrender?

Great stuff.

But it won't be enough to reach the highest Awakening.

[Derek White]

Also what practice, other than psychedelics, do you consider to be the best? Second to psychedelics?

[Raptorsin7]

@Derek White  If you can totally surrender then it will work. The success of it will be realized in direct experience, you won't need to ask anyone you will know for yourself.

I think that's how the Budhha got enlightened. He just got sick of seeking and said fuck it i'm sitting here until i'm enlightened. And like Abraham hicks says, ask and it is given.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Derek White said:

Also what practice, other than psychedelics, do you consider to be the best? Second to psychedelics?

Probably long and intense concentration practices.

Maybe Kriya yoga.

[Derek White]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Great stuff.

But it won't be enough to reach the highest Awakening.

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

3 minutes ago, Derek White said:

 

Probably long and intense concentration practices.

Maybe Kriya yoga

Yea, I notice that too. Idk about Kriya yoga though.

You sit and let go but thoughts keep rising and falling. Your body and mind deteriorates. And there’s little depth to it.

That’s where concentration comes in. You let go of distraction to focus on consciousness. Actually surrendering also involves concentration, you’re letting go of the urge to get up when you are sitting down and letting go.

Concentration and meditation converge at one point.

[Crystalous]

Leo how would you describe the world God with a big quote.The consciousness of God is the self consciouss consciousness but you mentioned some states which the consiousness lacks self awareness.Can you analyze it a little bit more?I also want to answer you on the (If awakening was permanent how could anyone ever awaken? -- since they would already have been awake!)There is nothing permanent the only permanent are the invisible laws and the nature of consciousness, every non awakened consciousness is gettind driven to awaken and i believe the awakened ones return on the darkness after some unimaginable numbers of time.This represents the symbol of ouroboros serpent, the infinite cyrcle of everything.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Crystalous said:

Leo how would you describe the world God with a big quote.

God is Infinite Consciousness -- that which is unlimited, one, and self-created. That's as accurate as it gets.

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The consciousness of God is the self consciouss consciousness but you mentioned some states which the consiousness lacks self awareness.Can you analyze it a little bit more?

Consciousness has infinite capacity for self-understanding. It can understand everything about itself (Total Awakeness) or it can be as dumb as a rock. And everything in between.

[Crystalous]

Why are you so sure about what you are talking about?But i agree with you xaxaxa

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[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, Crystalous said:

Why are you so sure about what you are talking about?

Because Awakening is Absolute. The Absolute tends to be sure of itself.

Why would God be unsure of itself? Unsureness suggests a lack of consciousness.

But the converse is a trap: just because you're sure of yourself doesn't mean you are conscious.

[Globalcollective]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, there is definitely such a thing as awake vs non-awake. And there are many degrees and orders of magnitude of awakeness.

So would you say people like sadguru are awake but not fully? 

Was jesus or buddha fully awake would you say? 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Globalcollective said:

So would you say people like sadguru are awake but not fully? 

Was jesus or buddha fully awake would you say? 

I doubt that anyone is fully Awake.

Lots of teachers are partially awake and their students are incapable of telling the difference.