No Self Reveals Meaning Purpose Value Truth Are Illusory Concepts!!

[VeganAwake]

There is no real meaning purpose value or truth to anything.

These are just illusory thought constructs created in the mind.

"There is nothing to find, except “there is nothing to find”, which is never the result of seeking. There is no value in seeking, contrary to the seekers experience and value system.

The person is trying to overcome this diss-ease of the need for experience through more experience.

The individual is basically a sense of need. It needs the next moment, it needs hope, it needs meaning and purpose, it needs the experience of freewill and choice. That need is a positivity for more and more and more experience.

As a personal experience, life appears to be an object or “a something” requiring meaning.

The question or search for a meaning of life comes from the longing for wholeness, absolute freedom, which is unknowingly a longing for dissolution, an end to the person. The personal experience inevitably seeks for an answer to the question of “what is my life  about?”. For the person there is no answer because this, what is, is not about anything. And it does not need to be about anything. The only solution for the person is the end of the person. 

The person cannot go beyond the illusory nature of itself and cannot help being an effect of itself: a seeker. Its search is for love, for more or better experiences.

Everything being what it is, is already complete, already absolutely free, without any need of meaning.

There is nothing missing and no need to find anything. When the dream ends, no one wakes up. The dream was the dreamers only reality. When it ends, there is no one left to wake up.

The separate self is on a mission, it is searching for the impossible to know the end of itself, the end of the fear of death, the end of separation. The non- dual reality. In this search it will always fail. The situation for the sense of self is completely hopeless. As is its efforts to control its life by repeating the pleasurable and avoiding the painful which is the simple description of its entire life".

[WHO IS]

So nothing matters and when the body dies the self ceases to exist, forever deleted so to speak? Is this what You wanted to convey?

[VeganAwake]

What's being conveyed by no one to no one is their is no meaning to anything because there is actually no one here for it to mean anything for. The self ceases to exist already, it's an illusion or Maya. Nothing will cease to exist after the body dies because there was never anything truly here in the first place. There was never a separate self born in the first place ...It was a misidentification

This can't be understood by the Seeker because to the Seeker everything is real and meaningful and it is going to find the answer one day and be fulfilled...

This whole scenario is hopeless because the separate self/seeker isn't real and there was never anything missing for it to find to complete itself in the first place.

Something underneath this seeking energy hears this message and can recognize the separate self is an illusion fictitious belief created by the mind and energy in the body.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by VeganAwake

[Javfly33]

Gotta let go of all concepts bro. Including the "it has no meaning". That´s an assumption about THIS. What if THIS has something more to reveal? 

[VeganAwake]

37 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Gotta let go of all concepts bro. Including the "it has no meaning". That´s an assumption about THIS. What if THIS has something more to reveal? 

There's not a bunch of Concepts being pointed to here... it just seems that way the only thing being pointed to is:

- the separate sense of self, the ME character is not real it's an illusion or Maya.

When the 'ME' is recognized to have never been and it's seeking energy collapses... all of its earthly problems (suffering) go along with it. 

There can't be suffering when it's recognized the sufferer was an illusion.

Edited March 24, 2020 by VeganAwake

[Guru Fat Bastard]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

"There is nothing to find, except “there is nothing to find”, which is never the result of seeking.

I always laugh when I hear a teacher say this because they were seekers themselves. Otherwise,they would not know there is nothing to find.

 

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There is no value in seeking,contrary to the seekers experience and value system.

Seeking happens regardless, whether there is value or not. Seeking is the same as desire. And the desire,is to be desire-less. When there is no desire there is peace,contentment,happiness. Seeking to end desire through experiences and objects will never work because experiences and objects are only a temporary solution for a never ending perplexity. Even the desire to be desire-less is a desire. If one day,by grace, it is finally seen that seeking to end desire through external means is a never ending process,and the knowledge to turn inward is made known,one takes that same seeking energy and turns it towards the source. This is the "spiritual" search,although it's the same search for the same thing one was trying to find externally. Finally at some point,through this inward seeking,one comes to realize that what it's been seeking is itself. It's mis-identification with a believed,yet non-existent,creation of imagination was the "sin" (i.e. mistake).

So, there is value in seeking. And the value in seeking,is in finding there was never a need to seek. But the end of seeking would never come,if there  was never any seeking to begin with.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Guru Fat Bastard

[VeganAwake]

@Guru Fat Bastard this is great information I'm not denying that.

But what happens is another belief is then created that there is somehow value in stumbling onto the knowledge during seeking that there is nothing to find.

This message is not saying any way is the right way it's saying that every way is the way...

Whether the illusory individual seeks doesn't seek or something beneath the seeking energy recognizes there is nothing to find there is no meaning purpose or value to any of it...

Because of course when it's discovered the individual isn't real there's no one there that gets anything out of it ...

Sure there's less suffering for No One ?

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by VeganAwake

[Guru Fat Bastard]

If someone is suffering,and you tell them there is no one suffering,does this help,or end, their suffering? Most likely,they will respond with great disdain toward your effort to help. If however,they are to led to,in whatever way, to their own experience of the end of suffering,then this would be of great significance. If the unreal,non-existent "self" is the cause of suffering,and one finds through their own experience that this "self" is non existent,then suffering ends.
What does exist, eternally exists, and if discovering what eternally exists through ones own experience ends the illusion of suffering, is this of no value?
What use is it to wait until physical death,when it can be found here and now? The ending of the individual self, is not the end of what "you" truly are,and what truly is. Fear of death is suffering, in and of itself. Is there no value in finding there is no such thing as death, and that what "you" truly are, is eternal?  With the end of the illusory 'self",there is also the ending of the fear, of the illusory death.
In my own experience,the value of realizing this alone was worth all the seeking.

I am nothing, but yet, still I am. What a glorious mystery.
 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Guru Fat Bastard

[VeganAwake]

What happened here was a pause on the outwardly seeking...

Then a question arose out of nowhere....

After a year-and-a-half of Hardcore seeking the answer must be right under the nose in plain sight but overlooked...

Then something was remembered from an Adyashanti video...

He was saying Enlightenment is a falling away process not a gaining or an adding of something....

The external seeking and anxiety energy was turned inwards and harnessed for deep self inquiry.

It was recognized that the 'ME' that had been so desperately seeking, wasn't actually real...

It was recognized the idea of 'ME' was just a compilation of beliefs ideas perceptions and labels 'I' was identified with as the 'I'...

I began a Native American like layer sheading ceremony where I was physically acting out peeling off the layers and throwing them to the side...

I began feeling lighter and lighter until there was nothing left...

Here's a picture I true when I was catching on that the self was an illusion.

[Guru Fat Bastard]

18 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

I began feeling lighter and lighter until there was nothing left..

Except what is. And the nothing of what is, is also the everything of what is.
No one who's 'enlightened" ever said, "Gee,this enlightenment thing really sucks",lol.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Guru Fat Bastard

[Guru Fat Bastard]

Nice work by the way.

[VeganAwake]

23 minutes ago, Guru Fat Bastard said:

If someone is suffering,and you tell them there is no one suffering,does this help,or end, their suffering? Most likely,they will respond with great disdain toward your effort to help. If however,they are to led to,in whatever way, to their own experience of the end of suffering,then this would be of great significance. If the unreal,non-existent "self" is the cause of suffering,and one finds through their own experience that this "self" is non existent,then suffering ends.
What does exist, eternally exists, and if discovering what eternally exists through ones own experience ends the illusion of suffering, is this of no value?
What use is it to wait until physical death,when it can be found here and now? The ending of the individual self, is not the end of what "you" truly are,and what truly is. Fear of death is suffering, in and of itself. Is there no value in finding there is no such thing as death, and that what "you" truly are, is eternal?  With the end of the illusory 'self",there is also the ending of the fear, of the illusory death.
In my own experience,the value of realizing this alone was worth all the seeking.

I am nothing, but yet, still I am. What a glorious mystery.
 

Yes it's glorious and so beyond words...

So many things can be questioned:

1) was the seeking and suffering energy of not finding a true catalyst for the self inquiry results?

2) can someone hearing their conditioned practices and seeking are pointless, create enough energy and frustration to turn within to find their true nature during inquiry?

3) if a guru just shakes you (papaji) and tells you to stop stop was this the true cause of their Awakening?

4) if someone empties their glass surrenders completely and listens to a Great Master explaining self inquiry is the way, can this alone awaken?

5) can a deep intellectual recognition that there is nothing to find minimize the seeking energies suffering?

Love this quote:

"Do not seek illumination unless you seek it as a man whose hair is on fire seeks a pond"

- Sri Ramakrishna

 

[VeganAwake]

21 minutes ago, Guru Fat Bastard said:

Except what is. And the nothing of what is, is also the everything of what is.
No one who's 'enlightened" ever said, "Gee,this enlightenment thing really sucks",lol.

exactly... it was like what the f*** ...this nothing left is everything simultaneously ?

[Guru Fat Bastard]

3 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

"Do not seek illumination unless you seek it as a man whose hair is on fire seeks a pond"

- Sri Ramakrishna

Very true and wise words. If the fire is blazing,nothing will stop it.
If it is wavering....well, maybe next time around.

[VeganAwake]

26 minutes ago, Guru Fat Bastard said:

Nice work by the way.

Thank you for the compliment! Enjoyed reading yours also..

Sometimes it's like running through the dark blindfolded... and a complete free fall other times  ?

[VeganAwake]

 

[zeroISinfinity]

? Why these dudes are so convinced they figured this out. 

What it really is, is pride of ego mind who thinks yes thinks he figured it out. 

❤️ IS Un?ble. 

[zeroISinfinity]

Love is the answer you are looking for. 

There is just so much of it. OMG. It just can't be. 

[VeganAwake]

@zeroISinfinity ❤

[Nahm]

23 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Love is the answer you are looking for. 

There is just so much of it. OMG. It just can't be. 

But you don’t understand! It’s this! It’s not a way! 

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