Know Myself

[jes]

Hi my lovely actualized.org family how are you ? what tools should be used in process of getting to know oneself , I am interested in knowing ?

Thanks

[Mal]

@jes

Hi jes, 

Want to know yourself?

Easy.

Look to your environment, what you see there is "your self"

Edited June 24, 2016 by Mal

[aurum]

Emotions are always a good guide. Your intuition knows what is right or wrong for you

[jes]

25 minutes ago, Mal said:

Look to your environment, what you see there is "your self"

this made me ask more questions , rather than answers ? 

15 minutes ago, aurum said:

Emotions are always a good guide. Your intuition knows what is right or wrong for you

Aint they temporary ? how will I know me through emotions ?

 

[Mal]

@jes

Do you think that when you look out through your eyes that you are seeing an outside world?

Think about it.  How can you be seeing anything else but "your-self"?

 

[jes]

@Mal Thank you 

 

Edited June 24, 2016 by jes

[jes]

9 minutes ago, Mal said:

How can you be seeing anything else but "your-self"?

this is beauiful

[Mal]

50 minutes ago, jes said:

this is beauiful

@jes

There is nothing beautiful about being trapped in a hall of mirrors inside one's conditioned mind.  It's more of a nightmare.  The quicker one wakes up from it, the better!

[jes]

9 minutes ago, Mal said:

@jes

There is nothing beautiful about being trapped in a hall of mirrors inside one's conditioned mind.  It's more of a nightmare.  The quicker one wakes up from it, the better!

it will help me know myself ? or It will help me change myself ? or it will help me leave myself ?

[Mal]

1 minute ago, jes said:

it will help me know myself ? or It will help me change myself ? or it will help me leave myself ?

I think if you use your environment as a mirror to develop your "self" it will be easier to transcend it.

What I mentioned to you yesterday, I use this site to become aware of myself, as a journal.  I don't ask people questions on how to solve my issues.  Nobody can give me the answers to my problems.  Ultimately there are no problems or answers, as I discovered very recently.

Would I have discovered there are no problems if I had not taken this path?  

But the more you talk on here the more you can get a sense that one is looking in a mirror.  I know for certain that I am not speaking directly to you, I'm only speaking to my version of you.  We're taught that the world "out there" is real, and that what we are looking at is real.  But how can it be real?  It' just our interpretation of what is going on in our own minds.  Nothing more.

 

[SEEKING]

jes, what mal is saying might be hard to comprehend right now. My suggestion would be what he says " aware of myself". Awareness, yes. What makes you tick ? What is it that you are searching for ? Stay on it. Stay on this path. I have been doing this for 13 years. I am no where close to being happy or fulfilled. But I am going to keep on searching till I find it. Like Leo says- it is an inner game. It is not easy. But please stay on it, don't give up.

 

[jes]

7 minutes ago, Mal said:

Nobody can give me the answers to my problems.

well said 

7 minutes ago, Mal said:

Would I have discovered there are no problems if I had not taken this path?

Currently yes

8 minutes ago, Mal said:

how can it be real?

that is the question ? 

[jes]

3 minutes ago, SEEKING said:

please stay on it, don't give up.

I will not give up , this is awareness that made me ask this question ? who am I and how to know myself ? the answer is not clear yet 

I am just awareness , consciousness , but where is that ?inside my body , but I am not this body too , I know ONE THING for sure I BELONG to SOMEWHERE , but where is that ? 

[Mal]

@jes

Seeking is talking about finding your preferences and emotional stuff.

What you seem to be doing is some kind of self-inquiry.

You can define yourself by looking into your mind.  Your "self" is in your mind.

What will happen when you let go of that self that appears to be occupying the whole of your life right now?

What else can you be if you let go of your self?

What I mean by let go, is let go of attending to it anymore, this means stop pretending that this self is getting you anywhere. Seeing it for what it is.  

I'm attached to my "self" because I spent years developing it.  It's like having to throw out something I've been nurturing my whole life, I've built a whole story around being "developed".

What's your story?

If you are ready, you can also do that.  Find a comfortable and safe place where you won't be disturbed, and let "it" go.  

 

[abrakamowse]

@Mal  That what you are saying is life changing. I needed that! Thanks!

 

[Mal]

@abrakamowse

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm a dogmatic, Buddhist, moralizing deceiver !

Edited June 24, 2016 by Mal

[abrakamowse]

1 minute ago, Mal said:

@abrakamowse

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm a dogmatic deceiver !

Can we start a cult??? I think it would be a good idea.

[Mal]

@abrakamowse

Cult leader now.  Jeez, what the fuck else are you people going to throw at me

[Mal]

Sorry, forgot to mention horrible nasty criticizer of "no-self" 

[abrakamowse]

@Mal