Do thoughts describe reality yes or no. Can I dis-trust all of my thoughts?

[Javfly33]

So I've been all morning aware of certain repetitive thoughts. This thoughts are related to "what she/he/they are going to think of me". Thoughts that do not feel good, yet I struggle to let them go. Is not that I have a problem in letting go of thoughts. It just that in a sense I feel some thoughts might be accurate.

If my mind works for my survival, and it has learn to be very concerned to certain thoughts about being concerned with social Image, then how can I know if the thoughts are useful or not?

Or material reality just don't exist and if all thoughts that "feel bad" I should let them go? 

[Lento]

Ultimately, it's "I" who determines the truthfulness of thoughts. If I think certain thoughts are true and accurate, they become true and accurate. If I think they're false and misleading, they become false and misleading. This process does not occur on the conscious level, but rather on the subconscious level. It's a conditioning that I've been programmed with. So, to let go of certain thoughts, I'd need to bring them up to the conscious level first and then observe them deeply and then they will spontaneously vanish or turn into something useful for me. That's just one method but there's more. I can also remove old conditioning by forgetting it completely; this is what happens when I no longer need certain thoughts, they just fly out of my life; for example, living in solitude will unwire the old conditioning I've had. Another way is to engage in different activities that will change my old conditioning into a new different conditioning; for example, changing my lifestyle, job, friends, etc... will change how I view the world.

45 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

If my mind works for my survival.

I don't find this assumption completely true. The way I see it is that the mind works for its own survival, not the biological survival of my body. It even happens to be the case sometimes that the mind may work in harmful ways to my biological survival. The mind does not really care about the body, at least not the ordinary malfunctioning mind. The ordinary mind only cares about protecting and preserving its identity, which is, again, old conditioning, aka a bunch of subconscious thought patterns.

45 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

it has learn to be very concerned to certain thoughts about being concerned with social Image, then how can I know if the thoughts are useful or not?

By;

1. Examining those thoughts closely and comparing them to other thoughts from other people's experiences.
2. Trial and error.
3. Luck.

45 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Or material reality just don't exist and if all thoughts that "feel bad" I should let them go? 

For me, the bad feeling is a pointer that my thoughts aren't aligned with reality. You see, when the old conditioning stops working, the mind starts seeking another conditioning. The seeking process surely does not feel comfortable psychologically, a rewiring of brain chemistry is occurring, that will create mood swings and so forth. The best way I've found to deal with this is learning to become comfortable with being uncomfortable. In other words, being adapted to change. I'm learning to accept the fact that change and growth are painful processes. I'm learning to embrace the pain instead of resisting it.

Edited March 14, 2020 by Lento

[Nightwise]

Ultimately, the capacity of being able to let go of a thought does not need to depend in you becoming able to believe the opposite, namely: that you believe that it would not be true.

It is possible to not believe or give attachment or energy to any thought, even though you can be very conscious of the fact that that which the thought or fear is about is actually very realistic.

For example: Let's say your mother has been diagnosed with terminal cancer in a late stage and there is no possibility of saving here anymore, as there are all kinds of indicatives that treatment won't work anymore, not even alternative treatment. Instead of trying to go to extreme lengths to still try to save your mother, you can simply let go and accept her dying, or accept your fear of her dying, without even necessarily trying to think positive about it or try to think about what opportunities or lessons can be learned from this (although I wouldn't advise against that).

An even more extreme example to show you what I mean that it's not even necessary to change the thoughts into more positive or less painful thoughts in order to let go of thoughts: Let's say god appears right before your eyes and say to you that in the upcoming year you will suffer with great intensity, it being completely overwhelming and unbearable for the entire year, and there is no possibility for you to surrender to it, there is no possibility for you to change it, you are simply doomed for the next year. There is no solace or relief you can find in anything or any thought whatsoever. And it is absolutely clear and undeniable to you that this is going to happen. There is no room for doubt about it, because you deeply know that this is just a fact.

Yet, this thought in itself, how horrible and impossible it might be, can still be let go of. yet, there is no way to turn this around to something positive, there is no way to find relief in another though or idea. Yes, you can think about what you will have learned from it afterwards, but there is no relief in anything you can do with your mind or your thoughts to provide relief in that year itself. In other words: there is no hope. There is hope for after the year is over, but there is no hope for that year itself.

Even in such a situation, still it's possible to let go of the fear of that upcoming year, even though there is no logical support that you can find for doing so whatsoever. Still it's possible, because letting go of a thought pattern don't necessarily require different thought patterns in order to stop it, but it simply requires your willingness to stop it with no strings attached. It can be done like that, as if it's magic.

Let's take an even more extreme example. Let's say God came straight down from the above and told you that after you die, you will go to hell, you will stay there forever, you will suffer greatly for infinity, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it, there is no possibility for you to surrender to it (whilst you're in hell) or to change it, and it is absolutely certain that this will happen to you.

in such a situation, there is literally nothing you can hope for anymore. All hope is gone. But this is the miracle: Even though you're in a situation where you know you are simply doomed, even then, you can let go of the fear of it all, you can let go of the fearful thought pattern. You don't need another thought patterns of positivity or hope to replace it. You can simply let it go. You actually do have that power. there is no 'how' to it, you just let go.

And as far as I see it: If there is going to be hope, there is going to be despair. They are part of a duality. But I'm talking about hope as a belief in something, not a trust that would be earned. Trust is something else, but hope as a belief will always at some point be followed by despair. And despair is actually not the same as hopelessness, because having no hope does not mean one is in despair. One can be totally present to the moment, and then there is neither despair nor hope, as both despair and hope are projections into the future.

Actually, when I said there is no 'how' to letting go without replacing your thoughts with positive ones, in my experience that has actually been not entirely true. Sometimes when I'm stuck in a certain though pattern (even positive thought patterns), I simply catch myself and say (in my head or out loud) "Stop!" to myself. I prefer to say it out loud but in some situations there's people around and I won't be able to. By saying "Stop!" to myself I've become able to more effectively break a pattern like that. It actually usually doesn't stay with saying "stop" only once per moment I do it.

But the main thing you need to remember, OP, is that whatever the content of thoughts is about, what it is pointing to (Not the thought itself, but the moon that the finger is pointing to) may in some way be an accurate prediction of what is indeed going to happen, but that does not mean that just because it would or could be true, that you need to have any attachment or fear towards the thought itself, and that you are still able to let go of your thoughts in spite of all it.

Oh and actually, I'm not even against positive thinking so much because it can make you more intelligent in creative in the way you can start perceiving reality, but just realize it's finite and not the ultimate goal. The ultimate goal is to be so awake that all hardwired mental patterns disappear, both negative and positive

Edited March 19, 2020 by Nightwise

[Peter124]

The persona you think is you have NEVER thaught a thought ever.

The persona is a thought.

Rely on intuition to reveal which actions to take not thought.

Thaught can articulate in a way to understand the invisible voice that intuition speaks in. However not all thaughts will feel dharmik or intuitively true.

[Prevailer]

We are not thoughts.....we just have thoughts. But who are we then if we are not thoughts?My view is that we get embroiled in our thoughts whether these be considered good or bad thoughts...but then what is good or bad? For me anyway...the solution can not be found solely in thoughts. There is more to it than that. We need to become more familiar and accepting of the consciousness states that we drift into/out of.We are not these consciousness states either...we just become aware of them. I keep stating in my posts that my view is that we spend far too much time in the split consciousness state getting confused. We need to focus more on bringing ourselves out of the split consciousness state into the more united consciousness state. This does not involve thought..it involves an individuals ongoing action.There are two crucial exercises that the individual needs to perform in my view.1.Internally talk to oneself and listen to oneself. The individual needs to be totally familiar with the sound of their own internal voice and talking to oneself internally.2.The individual needs to action the process of bringing oneself into the moment (in synch) into the united consciousness state more and more and more.