Even a FoxNews audience agrees with Bernie.

[Forestluv]

Below is that frame Bernie should have been using all along. That he is NOT the radical candidate, that he is the MODERATE candidate. His policies are actually moderate relative to other developed countries. Bernie is perceived as the risky revolutionary candidate and lost a lot of support. Yet Bernie is actually the safer candidate. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. Yet is message of prioritizing the working class transcends political party identity. Bernie would not get support from corporate America, the media, democratic establishment, pharma, health insurance, fossil fuels, billionaires etc. Yet I think he would have gotten a lot of cross-over votes. He definitely would have reclaimed all the Obama to Trump voters. I bet he would have gotten 10-20% of Trump voters. 

Not shown in the video: the crowd loudly booed the FoxNews hosts when they spoke against M4A.

 

[Apparition of Jack]

This has me wondering if this is the sort of language he should've used from the very start. I understand that his rhetoric of political revolution appealed to many disenfranchised people, myself included, and you can't say it hasn't given him a lot of clout, but it seems to be hitting a solid wall in how far it would take him. Perhaps if he had used the language of moderation and sensibility from the start to promote his social policies he could've picked up more of the vote.

But then, at the same time, if he HAD used more moderate language, would he have built up the base that he did? Would he have managed to shift the conversation so much? Would the journalists and media even listened to him if he hadn't been so standoffish and instead tried to present himself as just like every other politician? He may have been easier to ignore. Maybe voters would've liked his ideas but not enough people would've heard of him.

It's hard to say. The primaries are still ongoing so we'll see if he can get the nom.

[Preety_India]

That's awesome 

 

 

[Annoynymous]

The present trend is not in favour of Bernie. All most all the democrats are endorsing Joe Biden and the recent polls have shown that he is gonna win michigan by 20 points. So the race is now like Bernie vs rest of the democratic party. It will be very hard for him to overcome the odds. Nonetheless he is running a movement that will definitely inspire people for upcoming decades. He is an honest politician. His records are the proof of that. His policies are not at all extreme for the common people, in fact those would have helped them a lot. But it is a matter of irony that most people are not conscious enough to acknowledge that. Last of all, i think no matter how the result turns out for bernie, the present conscious generation should take the mantle from him and move forward. I believe there will be a day when he will be remembered as an early advocate of progress. 

[SOUL]

I keep hearing the a similar theme over and over again.... 'I agree with Bernie's ideas and policy but I want to vote for someone who can win so will vote Biden'.... uh....

If everyone who agrees with Bernie voted for him, polling suggests it's a majority across all political demographics, then Bernie can win. What's so hard to understand that is how it works?

Besides, Biden doesn't win against Trump, he has the same issues as Hillary did but worse in many respects and will get exposed.

It doesn't really matter what Bernie says or does, the establishment has such a strong hold over the minds of people they can't think for themselves and act in their own best interest.

[Vladz0r]

"This just in on CNN: Bernie Sanders, independent democratic socialist from Vermont, appearing on right-wing republican extremist network: Fox News. Sanders managed to stir up quite a crowd with the republican base. Could Sanders be more like Trump than he seems? It does appear that Sanders's coalition does appeal to the republican base, as his base is primarily white, college-educated voters, and he yet to expand his voter base beyond that. More news at 11."

The media will continue to spin it this way even if they gave him the time of day to cover this thing in the first place.

[fridjonk]

Who else noticed the planted Russian communism question? ?

[Fenir]

your tears when trump wins with at least 3 times the total votes bernie got... ooooh it will be good.

[Fenir]

52 minutes ago, fridjonk said:

Who else noticed the planted Russian communism question? ?

bernie went to the CCCP and defended fidel castro

[Forestluv]

I just voted in today's biggest prize: the Michigan primary. 

Some observations:

I live in a predominately black town. A common dynamic I observe is that Biden is the "safe choice". There is a sense of comfort that Biden was Obama's VP (if Obama chose him as VP, he must be ok). Also that Biden is a "real democrat". And Biden is seen as a "good guy", which is re-enforced by Bernie. 

Ironically, Biden is not a "real democrat" by many measures. He could just as easily be considered a moderate republican based on his record.

My biggest concern about Biden is that he is a moderate republican in many ways and will not give a reason for people to vote. There are millions of disenfranchised voters in America that would need to find transportation to a prescinct (since the local ones have been closed by republicans). They may also need to get time off of work and be willing to wait hours in line. That is a lot to ask. Is Biden offering anything that makes it worth going through these extraordinary efforts to cast one vote?. . .

As well, Trump doesn't need to excite his base - a better strategy is to depress the democratic base. This is easy pickins with Biden. A few of Biden's positions that will depress the base:

-- Biden is a war hawk and supports endless wars

--Biden has strong connections to banks (he is from Deleware and the credit card industry owns him)

--Biden has sought to cut Social Security and Medicare - the most popular programs with democrats

--Biden has voted for every bad trade deal for the midwest (such as TPP and nafta). Many people in the midwest blame these trade deals for the outsourcing of millions of midwest jobs.

--Biden has conceded that if he is not mentally fit for a second term, he will not run (isn't that a great confidence booster?). I predict Biden will not be willing to have a standard 2 hr debate with Bernie and Biden's team will try to reduce the time to 1 hr. with lots of commercial breaks, to reduce the chance of Biden having "senior moments".

Biden's positions are contrary to the heart and soul of the democratic base. There is a very strong anti-Trump sentiment and I hope it's strong enough for Biden to prevail. Personally, I am hoping for either of two extremes: 1) Biden loses his mental faculties during the debate and is so lost and incoherent that no one can deny he has cognitive decline and Bernie makes a massive comeback. . .  or. . . the other extreme 2) Biden's mental state looks decent and Biden's team + the media are able to cover up Biden's mental decline. For example: "It's just a stutter. Everyone gets forgetful at times. People are being ageist. It's good ole Uncle Joe" - and so on - such that Biden squeeks through the general election before he is placed in a nursing home and his VP becomes president. 

[Scholar]

It might even be better for Trump to win this over Biden. If Biden wins and things get worse instead of better, next time we might get another reaction towards the republicans.

If Trump wins, and things continue getting worse, we might next time get enough momentum to get a progessive into office. However, it's hard to say what will actually happen and what kind of damage Trump can cause in another 4 years.

[2_spirit]

10 minutes ago, Fenir said:

your tears when trump wins with at least 3 times the total votes bernie got... ooooh it will be good.

I hope triggering the libs will be worth it for you. The United states will continue down the status quo path. It will still be in all the wars in the midddle east. Healthcare will continue to be absurdly expensive, Rent's and the cost of a collage education will continue to rise while minimum wage remains the same. The US will continue ignoring climate change, continue criminalizing  cannabis and psychedelics, and continue to pad the bank accounts of the 1% while millions sleep on the sidewalk.  

But boy those Libs on CNN will be so mad! Totally worth it! 

[Forestluv]

7 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It might even be better for Trump to win this over Biden. If Biden wins and things get worse instead of better, next time we might get another reaction towards the republicans.

If Trump wins, and things continue getting worse, we might next time get enough momentum to get a progessive into office. However, it's hard to say what will actually happen and what kind of damage Trump can cause in another 4 years.

Yea, there are risks with this path as well. One of my big concerns is scotus. RBG will probably not make it another 4 years. Trump will likely get 1-2 supreme court picks that are his "yes" men. It will be at least 6-3 conservative and the "swing vote" will be a partisan conservative judge. As well, Trump is stacking the lower courts with conservative judges that are getting rammed through the republican senate. Another 4 years of Trump would have rippling effects for 20+ years. That alone is enough for me to vote for Biden. 

[fridjonk]

However it plays out, it is meant to play out. If Bernie doesn't win, or even Biden; then that's just the state of which developmental phase most Americans are at. And we have to be understanding of why it is that way. Most humans are not as evolved as this tech-age makes it seem to be. I'd just be thankful that we've mostly "escaped" (integrated) stage blue at least. ?

Edited March 10, 2020 by fridjonk

[Scholar]

4 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Yea, there are risks with this path as well. One of my big concerns is scotus. RBG will probably not make it another 4 years. Trump will likely get 1-2 supreme court picks that are his "yes" men. It will be at least 6-3 conservative and the "swing vote" will be a partisan conservative judge. As well, Trump is stacking the lower courts with conservative judges that are getting rammed through the republican senate. Another 4 years of Trump would have rippling effects for 20+ years. That alone is enough for me to vote for Biden. 

Interesting, didn't know about these dynamics. Yes, then it is probably better if Biden gets in office. But if I look at Biden's mental health, I feel like he will get demolished in any debate with Trump.

I don't understand why Biden is the top running candidate. Everyone was better than him, Warren, Buttigieg, Bernie of course and even Yang.

[Forestluv]

Just now, fridjonk said:

I'd just be thankful that we've mostly "escaped" (integrated) stage blue at least. ?

The good news is Trump has pretty much wiped out stage Blue. The bad news is Trump is regressed back to stage red. 

[fridjonk]

36 minutes ago, Fenir said:

bernie went to the CCCP and defended fidel castro

You won't catch this fish so easily, get lost troll. 

[Forestluv]

Just now, Scholar said:

But if I look at Biden's mental health, I feel like he will get demolished in any debate with Trump.

I don't understand why Biden is the top running candidate. Everyone was better than him, Warren, Buttigieg, Bernie of course and even Yang.

I agree that Trump would destroy Biden in a debate and Trump sucks at debating. I could see Trump mocking Biden's mental decline in real time in the debate.

I think one of the reasons Joe rose to the top undetected was that he was able to hide behind 9 other candidates. His best debates are the ones he didn't speak much. He just had to hold it together for a few 1 minute stretches and then hide behind the other candidates. The only time he was confronted was in the first debate when he was the frontrunner and Joe looked awful. He was able to slip into the background unscathed as the other candidates took out the knives against each other. Unfortunately, I think it's too late now. His record should have been exposed months ago. . . I know lot's of people that think Joe is a "good guy" and a "decent democrat", yet have no idea of his record. 

[fridjonk]

@Serotoninluv The biggest tragedy is that there wasn't a debate between Super-Tuesday and today's voting. Them going at it 1v1 would've been a huge toll on Biden's mental state.  

The question is if Biden will mess up really badly during their next debate, so much that Florida will turn to Bernie rather. 

Edited March 10, 2020 by fridjonk

[Vladz0r]

29 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It might even be better for Trump to win this over Biden. If Biden wins and things get worse instead of better, next time we might get another reaction towards the republicans.

If Trump wins, and things continue getting worse, we might next time get enough momentum to get a progessive into office. However, it's hard to say what will actually happen and what kind of damage Trump can cause in another 4 years.

Yeah Trump will appoint a bunch of right-wing judges and the republicans will control the house of representatives. Unless you're making 7 figures, it's going to be a rough time being an American, with how ill-equipped we're going to be in terms of national infrastructure and job loss due to automation. It's just going to be a downhill spiral trying to get back on track after 4 more years of Trump. Expect plenty of anti-science anti-social justice, illogical, and racist and classist policies to pervade. The housing market will continue to be fu@ked as multi-national corporations continue to do $100,000,000 building renovation projects, continuing to outsource to India in some places and overpay in San Francisco to drive housing costs further to the moon.