Time (what it actually is)

[remember]

@ivankiss change the past in actuality and not in illusion.

[Ananta]

11 hours ago, ivankiss said:

@Anna1 It is my opinion that you do not embody certain qualities.

Hehe, I'd think we'd actually have to have a personal conversation before you'd start judging what I do and don't "embody". At least, more then just a couple posts on what time is or isn't. You don't know me at all. 

11 hours ago, ivankiss said:

You can always skip the thread if you disagree with what's being said. 

Now you want me to skip threads I don't agree with? No, the purpose is to discuss.

[ivankiss]

@Anna1 I don't want you to do anything. It was just a suggestion.

I clearly offended you unintentionally - so again, sorry. Just trying to communicate my views - that's all.

@remember Imagination is real. Literally.

[remember]

20 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

How and why does change occur?

illusion and consciousness involve into a conversation about themselves i would say - until they rise to some kind of synthesis/interference/serendipity.

what‘s the difference between illusion and imagination?

Edited March 3, 2020 by remember

[ivankiss]

@remember The interference is continuous. That is why time is a necessary quality of now. A flavour of the ongoing magic.

Illusion implies something is false. Imagination includes all possibilities and they're all true.

Segregation vs. Unification.

Edited March 3, 2020 by ivankiss

[remember]

2 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@remember The interference is continuous. That is why time is a necessary quality of now. A flavour of the ongoing magic.

yes, you get the concept. but flavor has a quality on its own the concept of time does not have any quality inherently. infinity does not have a set quality, infinity is prior to relativity.

[fridjonk]

 

 

"That which is emptiness is not other than form; that which is form is not other than emptiness."

 

[ivankiss]

@remember But the conceptual is the actual. Infinity is all-inclusive. It does not exclude a single thing. That is why everything is a quality of Infinity. 

There is no lie. Only truth.

[fridjonk]

18 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Imagination includes all possibilities and they're all true.

That would imply that it were other than false, which it also is. This is where we hit the language barrier. 

[ivankiss]

@fridjonk If something is false and that's true...does that make it false or true? 

[fridjonk]

@ivankiss Both 

[ivankiss]

@fridjonk which is true 

[TrynaBeTurquoise]

2 hours ago, ivankiss said:

@remember But the conceptual is the actual. Infinity is all-inclusive. It does not exclude a single thing. That is why everything is a quality of Infinity. 

There is no lie. Only truth.

Yes, conceptual is actual from the absolute perspective, not from a relative perspective.

Time is a relative phenomenon, time is a concept humans created to understand the universe. It isn’t an absolute fact “out there” in the universe.

[TrynaBeTurquoise]

@ivankiss You create a problem when you conflate different orders of “truth” and group them in the same category. Thats actually a good analogy to what you are doing with this entire thread.

But please, carry on with how I don’t “embody infinity” and you do. Thats quite an outrageous claim to make. 

[ivankiss]

@TrynaBeTurquoise Time is directly experiental. I just described the mechanism behind the experience.

Of course there is no time in absolute stillness and eternal silence. That never was my point. Jeez.

And sorry if my assumptions offended you, too. You don't have to take my opinion seriously. It's not a universal fact. 

 

[remember]

@ivankiss you still didn’t get it. literally what yo call time does not exist. stop trying to be so self assured - you did not even sit down and really reflect what people here try to make yo aware of.

you are right in some linear dynamics which assume a timeline like past and future to exist in the actual moment but neither past nor future are separated from the actual moment. it’s one of the most difficult realizations to grasp. if you ever come to that point you don’t even want to call it time anymore.

Edited March 3, 2020 by remember

[ivankiss]

@remember Is your reality completely motionless, static and frozen in stillness?

If not; you're experiencing time. Right now.

It's not that I don't get you. I just disagree. 

Simple as that. 

To you it may seem as if I'm walking backwards. It's just how the process of expansion and evolution looks like at a certain stage of awakening.

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by ivankiss

[remember]

@ivankiss motion and time are different concepts. i never said motion or movement does not exist. also decay or motionlessness does exist. but you need to tap into infinity to see that. it does not matter to what you awaken this is an unchangeable truth. 

[ivankiss]

@remember There is no motion without change. And change (shifting) is what creates the effect of time. Or the illusion of time - if that's easier for you to digest.

And yes; motionlessness does exist. That's how I came to know motion and time truly.

[remember]

@ivankiss it’s your tone i won‘t digest. you probably in some sense know what you are talking about. and you try to push your concept further, what is fine. if you can’t do it without the concept of time you can’t do it with the concept of infinity. stay open, relative progress is also progress.

Edited March 3, 2020 by remember