What percentage of the population can follow Leos teachings even if they wanted?

[Llight]

I searched and didn't see a analysis so if i miss something let me know please. First obstacle is reading a lot of books and internalizing them so at minimum 50 books i am guessing. Second one is doing as leo said about 50 trips on heavy psychedelics. The second issue is a problem even on low psychedelics or just one trip since many people are not meant physically to endure such substances, just like there are people prone to schizophrenia, and alike mental problems. Now the rest who are able to do all of this will also have to abandon their current lifestyle including work and devote their time to this work, on a global scale that is just a economical disaster and many other problems but also benefits, but that is another topic.  Add to this also 10 years as a good estimate if you were starting right now, then best case scenario you end up with the mindset Leo currently has. Leo currently says many radical things at least from the perspective of normal people and considering youtube comments, also to be honest his personality (always from the outside view) is not something people see as rare or valuable, compared to other spiritual leaders or even normal people. I am writing this how a normal person would likely see this whole thing, not my thoughts. All things considered there is just no way this can compete with other religions or spiritual practices, at least with the current progress. Let me know what you think.

[LfcCharlie4]

You don't have to give up work to do this work at all, you'll likely have to evolve it though, especially if you work for a corrupt company or a company that inadvertently doesn't help people. 

Anyways, a large % of the population simply aren't ready for this and would benefit more from a form of Therapy/ Personal Development. 

The average person these days is a wage slave, overweight, has shitty relationships/ people skills, often have subtle or not so subtle addictions (alcohol, porn, phone, etc) very little knowledge on essential areas like Health, Business etc so a lot of other areas of study would be far more beneficial for their development than non-duality, in fact a LOT of people try to jump the gun on this stuff and try to fly before they can even stand up. 

A lot of issues can be dealt with by simply getting the 'basics' sorted out.

Also, many people due to poor lifestyle and other factors have many mental problems such as depression and anxiety, a lot of these imo should be either dealt with prior to Non-Duality work sometimes even including meditation, breathwork etc or be dealt with as part of the spiritual work as they can often hinder progress. 

However, that being said, some of the work can be far easier post awakening, such as dealing with your shadow without an I-thought is much easier and their is much less resistance, so it's a double edged sword and quite nuanced. 

However, a LOT of people would benefit from more standard PD work, cleaning up their diet, a healthy exercise routine, developing people skills/ relationships, finding hobbies, developing their careers/ business/ LP and all the rest before jumping into Non-Duality and Awakening. 

If you're overweight with health issues pre awakening, there's a good chance you'll be overweight with health issues post awakening unless you take the required steps to fix them. 

[Tanz]

The world does not necessarily need more enlightened people, just people with enough awareness to make an impact on the world.  All of the teaches are out there to get you on the path, it's up to each and every one of us to take personal action. Its better to master one trait and make a difference than become a master of the cosmos without having done anything in the world.    

[Visionary]

11 minutes ago, Tanz said:

The world does not necessarily need more enlightened people, just people with enough awareness to make an impact on the world.  All of the teaches are out there to get you on the path, it's up to each and every one of us to take personal action. Its better to master one trait and make a difference than become a master of the cosmos without having done anything in the world.    

Lmfao. And what is impact exactly? What laws govern impact? Are you on an enlightenment path yourself? Have you ever healed a buncha karma and seen how you can uplift your environment with that? Can you also understand that there are a lot of people who want to be superheroes and become toxicly so? It's no that simple my friend. 

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

Edit: also how would you know what the world needs? I'm sure there are 8 billion different opinions on what the world needs. What is enough awareness? 

Edited February 21, 2020 by Visionary

[Nahm]

50 minutes ago, Llight said:

I am writing this how a normal person would likely see this whole thing, not my thoughts.

There is no truth in that statement. 

[Llight]

@Nahm Ehm, lol. Well my actual thoughts if you like to know are wayyyy worse than the average person, but if you care about the average person have a look at youtube or if you have any, your common sense.

[Nahm]

10 minutes ago, Llight said:

@Nahm Ehm, lol. Well my actual thoughts if you like to know are wayyyy worse than the average person, but if you care about the average person have a look at youtube or if you have any, your common sense.

That’s actually only your thought. You don’t know what anyone else thinks, or how they understand the relationship between how they feel and their thoughts. “Normal”, “”average”, these are useful for a lot, but they don’t apply to believing your thoughts. 

Judging one’s own thoughts is an impossible challenge, as they can not hurt you, a thought is just a thought. Ignoring the feeling, thought can seem like more that thought. But it’s not. 

“Sense” refers to sens-ation.

Common sense, is putting feeling, before thoughts. This inherently sheds the very beliefs, and thus liberates one of the suffering.

To me, that comment you made sounds like “well if you’d see it my way, you’d know how bad it feels”.

Sense is so common, it’s infinitely abundant...but can also be suppressed by thinking / believing thoughts.

[Llight]

@Nahm Wow the denial is unreal holy cow my man. Look this is what people call common sense, you just don't get it. Go on and look at youtube, even his followers are against his "highest" teachings let alone normal folk. There is nothing complex about this, it's common sense. You need to be sober and stay with normal people to understand common sense and how it works, something you clearly lack or are in a disturbed way pretending to lack.

[Nahm]

@Llight Cool.

[Llight]

@Nahm Nothing cool about something very common.

[Visionary]

25 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

You don't have to give up work to do this work at all, you'll likely have to evolve it though, especially if you work for a corrupt company or a company that inadvertently doesn't help people. 

Anyways, a large % of the population simply aren't ready for this and would benefit more from a form of Therapy/ Personal Development. 

The average person these days is a wage slave, overweight, has shitty relationships/ people skills, often have subtle or not so subtle addictions (alcohol, porn, phone, etc) very little knowledge on essential areas like Health, Business etc so a lot of other areas of study would be far more beneficial for their development than non-duality, in fact a LOT of people try to jump the gun on this stuff and try to fly before they can even stand up. 

A lot of issues can be dealt with by simply getting the 'basics' sorted out.

Also, many people due to poor lifestyle and other factors have many mental problems such as depression and anxiety, a lot of these imo should be either dealt with prior to Non-Duality work sometimes even including meditation, breathwork etc or be dealt with as part of the spiritual work as they can often hinder progress. 

However, that being said, some of the work can be far easier post awakening, such as dealing with your shadow without an I-thought is much easier and their is much less resistance, so it's a double edged sword and quite nuanced. 

However, a LOT of people would benefit from more standard PD work, cleaning up their diet, a healthy exercise routine, developing people skills/ relationships, finding hobbies, developing their careers/ business/ LP and all the rest before jumping into Non-Duality and Awakening. 

If you're overweight with health issues pre awakening, there's a good chance you'll be overweight with health issues post awakening unless you take the required steps to fix them. 

I think the distinction as presented here is very arbitrary. Truth and Love are actually perfectly fit to be integrated in all those areas of ones life. Awakening for example lead to such an increase in body awareness for me that it automatically shifted me to a healthy diet. It's important to make distinction between the self-actualization and enlightenment path. But in the end its all about integration. There was never any difference in the end. I agree that for some it might be better to solely focus on PD, because thats as far as they'll get. But a large percentage would also benefit from the enlightenment path without even "coming near enlightenment". Don't underestimate the benefits of brutal self-honesty and self-understanding/acceptance which we can get from contemplation and self-enquiry. 

 

[LfcCharlie4]

@Visionary Yes of course, I wasn't meaning to present them as a distinction or a be-all solution, Awakening can have transformative areas in many areas of life BUT is not guaranteed to. For those open to it, of course, pursue it. 

However, it must be remembered often seeking can be difficult at times, and involves some hardships, so those who go for it need to be comitted to the work. 

I did mention spiritual practices such as Meditation and as you mentioned Inquiry can also help. 

But, most of my friends in real life would not be open-minded enough for duality, they may meditate to help reduce their anxiety, but are also opening themselves up to truth without even knowing it if you get me? PD also tends to eventually lead to some form of spirituality of spiritual practice, yes there is, in the end, no difference. 

However, if we can improve our diets post-awakening, why not also do that pre awakening? 

Everyone is unique and has their own path and what is ideal for them, won't be ideal for me or you. It's not a one size fits all approach ever. 

Integration is incredibly key, especially post-awakening, Rupert Spira speaks of how the awakening is only really the first step, it's then how we live this understanding in all areas of life where the fun really starts. 

[Visionary]

6 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

@Visionary Yes of course, I wasn't meaning to present them as a distinction or a be-all solution, Awakening can have transformative areas in many areas of life BUT is not guaranteed to. For those open to it, of course, pursue it. 

However, it must be remembered often seeking can be difficult at times, and involves some hardships, so those who go for it need to be comitted to the work. 

I did mention spiritual practices such as Meditation and as you mentioned Inquiry can also help. 

But, most of my friends in real life would not be open-minded enough for duality, they may meditate to help reduce their anxiety, but are also opening themselves up to truth without even knowing it if you get me? PD also tends to eventually lead to some form of spirituality of spiritual practice, yes there is, in the end, no difference. 

However, if we can improve our diets post-awakening, why not also do that pre awakening? 

Everyone is unique and has their own path and what is ideal for them, won't be ideal for me or you. It's not a one size fits all approach ever. 

Integration is incredibly key, especially post-awakening, Rupert Spira speaks of how the awakening is only really the first step, it's then how we live this understanding in all areas of life where the fun really starts. 

Aye bruv, we're on the same page. I just hope that the threshold for practices like non duality will be lowered substantially for people who still have a closed mind. For example by stop making it an own niche, filtering out cultural stuff etc. 

Love the Rupert part.

Cheers.

[Nahm]

55 minutes ago, Llight said:

@Nahm Nothing cool about something very common.

Yeah...why not?

[Llight]

@Nahm You just love avoiding the topic don't you? Or making this about me, just stay on the topic please, how hard can this be?

[Nahm]

@Llight That wasn’t a comment about you, it was about what you said. On a thread about percentage of population understanding, what is ‘cool’ and what is ‘common’ is on topic. Also, it’s not “hard” because it’s not what’s happening.

[Llight]

@Nahm If you want to stay in denial that is totally your thing, but you don't have to declare your denial in every comment, we get it, you are way out of touch with common sense, i get the concept, if you want to keep doing that and repeating that then you are just wasting space and time for everyone who isn't in denial.

[Nahm]

@Llight Imo, “makes sense” = feels Good. Denial = feelings ignored.

[Llight]

@Nahm Dude, dude, dude, dude! If you want to make a comment with any value and connection to this topic use something more universal something that is more widely accepted than just your personal feelings, they truly have value for you and anyone who has experience what you have, but here we are talking with common sense not personal feelings, do you get it?

[Nahm]

4 minutes ago, Llight said:

talking with common sense not personal feelings

I believe I do, yes. I was saying imo, that is what denial is. Btw, the first thing you said in your thread was “if I miss something let me know”. I’m saying you’re missing common sense, as in, it doesn’t feel good. Maybe you mean a common belief?