Happiness is simply peace of mind

[SOUL]

40 minutes ago, Maharani said:

You can't describe truth with words.

Truth is the state of being true......once one transcends the esoteric double speak the reality of what is becomes clear.

41 minutes ago, Maharani said:

They are not and cannot be truths.

Only if one trusts in the double speak of abstract religious concepts can one be confused by the obviousness of what is.

46 minutes ago, Maharani said:

Can you objectively know the "true" biomass of Earth

There is an objectively true biomass of the earth but whether one can know it or not does not erase that there is an accurate fact of it. Not sure what point you thought you made by this.

54 minutes ago, Maharani said:

Roger likes to give the example of ordering food from a menu

Roger and apparently you like to rely on the materialist interpretation of the manifest when it suits you and then toss it aside in deference to the belief of the imaginary abstract when it suits you. 

We can be an active participant in the natural evolution of the conditioning that creates our 'attitude' so even if we choose not to decide we still have made a choice.

1 hour ago, Maharani said:

What, then, would you say is the cause of this attitude?

It's not the sense of self or the forming of identity that causes self suffering, it's the attachment to the self identity that is the source of self suffering. After liberation we still remember our self's name but we don't self suffer because others forget it.

[Maharani]

1 hour ago, SOUL said:

There is an objectively true biomass of the earth but whether one can know it or not does not erase that there is an accurate fact of it. Not sure what point you thought you made by this.

We were having a conversation about truth. The point I thought I made was that even if there is an objective truth, it can only ever be "known" (experienced) subjectively, and only described in words with relative accuracy. In this sense, no concept can be true. With this disclaimer in mind, I think that the concept that "the only truth is your own experience" (more specifically, Roger says "the impersonal sense of I Am") is valuable for dissolving the belief system that causes human suffering.

1 hour ago, SOUL said:

Roger and apparently you like to rely on the materialist interpretation of the manifest when it suits you and then toss it aside in deference to the belief of the imaginary abstract when it suits you.

Words are always imaginary and abstract, no? They can only be more or less accurate, more or less useful. In any case, the concept that "Life is predetermined" is really just pointing out that your choices are a result of your design and your conditioning (including the present-moment circumstance), and that Life only ever goes one way. As far as spiritual teachings go, I don't think it gets any less esoteric than this framework.

1 hour ago, SOUL said:

It's not the sense of self or the forming of identity that causes self suffering, it's the attachment to the self identity that is the source of self suffering. After liberation we still remember our self's name but we don't self suffer because others forget it.

How is "the attachment to the self identity" not an abstract religious concept? ;P Tongue in cheek aside, I would appreciate if you could explain what you meant by that.

Edited February 26, 2020 by Maharani

[SOUL]

5 hours ago, Maharani said:

the concept that "Life is predetermined" is really just pointing out that your choices are a result of your design and your conditioning

 

One can actively participate with the evolving conditioning process so experience the cessation of self suffering in liberation. This is my message and why I suggest the choice/no choice conversation is ultimately a distraction from it.

The instances where it spontaneously happens randomly without any active participation in the conditioning process are especially rare, even more rare than when it happens with active participation which appears to be quite rare in itself.

5 hours ago, Maharani said:

How is "the attachment to the self identity" not an abstract religious concept?

To one that doesn't experience the cessation of self suffering it is an abstract religious concept yet to one that does experience liberation it is realized.

So which are you?

Peace.

[LfcCharlie4]

Good post man, love how you mentioned we still experience emotional pain post awakening and still have emotions, without the added dimension of an I-Thought which leads to suffering. 
 

Ramesh was one of my teachers Ramaji’s original gurus and was the original guy who helped facilitate his awakening, sounds like an awesome teacher  

[Maharani]

6 hours ago, SOUL said:

One can actively participate with the evolving conditioning process so experience the cessation of self suffering in liberation. This is my message and why I suggest the choice/no choice conversation is ultimately a distraction from it.

It's really the same as with the strawberry cake.

Say you're considering some options of active participation with your evolving conditioning. You consider listening to YouTube satsang, finding Mooji, Rupert Spira and Roger Castillo in your recommendations. You find Roger too analytical and Rupert too boring. You've never even heard of John Butler, Rupert Sheldrake or Lisa Cairns, hence they don't enter your consideration. You go with Mooji, whose satsangs have resonated with you in the past. Choice or design/conditioning?

Meditation vs. self-inquiry. You've tried meditation, you've sat for two hours at a time, the thoughts wouldn't stop arising, your ass hurt. On the other hand, something clicked with you when you tried self-inquiry for the first time two days ago. You decide to enquire some more. Choice or design/conditioning?

You see a video in which Leo recommends anal administration of 5-MeO-DMT, but you've tried a low dose of psychedelic mushrooms in the past and even that wasn't for you. You have no inclination of plugging your butt (maybe you even have a medical condition preventing it) with a super powerful entheogenic substance, and decide to pursue your spiritual seeking sober. Choice or design/conditioning?

Edited February 26, 2020 by Maharani

[ChimpBrain]

I'm a pretty big fan of Roger's. I posted a thread about him here a year or so ago but it got no play. Glad to see I'm not the only one whose found his teachings helpful.

Edited February 26, 2020 by ChimpBrain
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[SOUL]

6 hours ago, Maharani said:

You have no inclination of plugging your butt

Until you unplug your butt of all the conceptual suppositories and let go of your anal gurus you will not find peace of mind, the ego would rather be 'right' than release it's identity inducing machinations so that awareness will be liberated from self suffering.

[Lento]

3 hours ago, SOUL said:

Until you unplug your butt of all the conceptual suppositories and let go of your anal gurus you will not find peace of mind, the ego would rather be 'right' than release it's identity inducing machinations so that awareness will be liberated from self suffering.

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