Is Truth Absolutely Known or Absolutely Unknown?

[Anton Rogachevski]

It's often said that the way to access truth is through deep unknowing. Does Unknowing eventually go full circle into Knowing?

Can I ever say that I know the Absolute for sure?

Edited February 12, 2020 by Anton Rogachevski

[Inliytened1]

@Anton Rogachevski you can't grasp the infinite from the finite.   But as infinity you make the finite.

[tsuki]

Knowledge implies subject-object separation.
You cannot know the Truth, but you can know that you are it.

Edited February 12, 2020 by tsuki

[Nahm]

Unknowing who you are is Knowing who you are, but there’s no more Truth.

[mandyjw]

An insight is a thought you've never thought of before, a connection that's being made seemingly for the first time. Do you think a thought or does a thought think you? In order to clear the way for insights you need to stop repeating thoughts, or forget what you think you already know. Just as you can't listen to what someone is saying if you're thinking about how ugly their shoes are or about what you will say next, you can't receive an insight if you're repeating the same old thoughts and holding the same old beliefs on autoplay. 

know, now spelled backwards is "won", won/one, know that all is one, now. 

Edited February 12, 2020 by mandyjw

[Preetom]

4 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

It's often said that the way to access truth is through deep unknowing. Does Unknowing eventually go full circle into Knowing?

Can I ever say that I know the Absolute for sure?

Hi my friend

The Absolute is Absolutely Unknown Forever in Duality

And yet The Absolute is what you really Are...meaning that The Absolute is really the ONLY 'thing' you ever Be or Know

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It's often said that the way to access truth is through deep unknowing

Btw this is such a gem of a perfect spiritual instruction!

But Deep unknowing of what? Of things other than yourself, your own 1st person ''experience/knowledge'' 'I'.....all objects and perception in duality are objects of knowledge...

By slowly ignoring, getting uninterested and relinquishing attachment towards this deluded, ignorant 'knowledge' of objects, you dive into the deep unknowing....then when there is absolutely nothing else to know, your own Self shines in it's full glory; the only Existence there ever is.

Edited February 12, 2020 by Preetom

[Preetom]

29 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

 

know, now spelled backwards is "won", won/one, know that all is one, now. 

Uuggh Mandy you're such a skilled linguistic contortionist!

Might have wet dreams about it tonight

(joke. pls don't ban my ass lol. hope you're doing well xoxo)

Edited February 12, 2020 by Preetom

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Inliytened1 @Preetom @mandyjw @Nahm @tsuki

Thank you for your reply dear friends. I've really missed this forum.

Isn't it also knowing when you know you don't know for sure. Is certainty healthy here or should I embrace an ever lasting uncertainty? 

[Nahm]

@Anton Rogachevski The answer basically, is why the word Absolute is used. If there’s any question....

Cheers Always great to hear from ya. 

[Gnosis]

4 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Does Unknowing eventually go full circle into Knowing?

That is precisely the case.

 

4 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Can I ever say that I know the Absolute for sure?

Yes, it can feel like that experientially.

At the same time, it is not "conventional knowing".

In the sense that, even when it is not known, it is still Known.

In other words, it is not rooted in the conditional.

You could say it has no root.

It's always Immediate; it requires no reflection on the part of the mind.

[Anton Rogachevski]

2 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Anton Rogachevski The answer basically, is why the word Absolute is used. If there’s any question....

Cheers Always great to hear from ya. 

Can anyone claim to know the absolute? 

[Forestluv]

@Anton Rogachevski Perhaps consider your meaning of “knowing”. For example, Do you know now is now?

[tedens]

@Anton Rogachevski

Why  you don't  'practice'?

Edited February 12, 2020 by tedens

[Preetom]

17 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

@Inliytened1 @Preetom @mandyjw @Nahm @tsuki

Thank you for your reply dear friends. I've really missed this forum.

Isn't it also knowing when you know you don't know for sure.

Yes it is. And slowly you let go of that 'meta' knowledge as well, making less and less fuss about it as you dive deeper into the unknowing.

18 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Is certainty healthy here or should I embrace an ever lasting uncertainty? 

This is simply the mind's projection of it's own fickle nature and it's desperation to survive and find security for itself. 

For the mind, yes it sounds depressing af, yes its the worst and most nihilistic thing ever, yes you'll lose EVERYTHING.

But in reality, in return, you are eternally blessed with the Best 'thing' ever; Your own Self, the crown jewel of all of existence. It forever fulfills your heart on and on...

Losing everything, you find the best 'thing' ever

[Gnosis]

10 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Can anyone claim to know the absolute?

Anyone can claim to know the Absolute. 

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Gnosis

Thank you dearly, this is helpful.

9 minutes ago, tedens said:

@Anton Rogachevski

Why  you don't  'practice'?

Pardon me, I don't understand the question. What practice?

[Preetom]

23 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Can anyone claim to know the absolute? 

What you are really asking is ''Can I ever claim Myself?''

Of course! There is not a moment when you are not yourself.

 

[Anton Rogachevski]

1 minute ago, Preetom said:

What you are really asking is ''Can I ever claim Myself?''

Of course! There is not a moment when you are not yourself.

 

Perhaps in my opinion to claim that is antithetical to Truth.

[mandyjw]

1 hour ago, Preetom said:

Uuggh Mandy you're such a skilled linguistic contortionist!

The price of mastery is your life. 

[Preetom]

5 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

The price of mastery is your life. 

I'm ded ><