Confused about one of the 65 core principles.

[Amit]

I was watching leo's 65 core principles video, and  in it the 9th principle is to have genuine intent for Truth. Further he adds that if you are not willing to accept the costs that come with the ultimate truth, you get sucked into lesser things like sex, comfort, luxury and money etc in life. And all these are best pursued with falsehood. 

But for a person still on the lower strands of Maslow's hierarchy, needing money, sex and safety as the responsibility for stability in his family. Does it still accounts to falsehood, as someone has a genuine intent for Truth but still pursing those lesser things. 

How should one wrap his/her mind around this contradiction, is it a paradox? 

[Nahm]

@Amit Those are no more ‘lessor’ things than a seed is not a tree. Wether it’s a contradiction or not is understanding & perspective, which in large part is contingent on directly experiencing them, and not believing / attaching to thoughts. “Put” thoughts in the “things category”, as they aren’t actually “yours” either. Listen to the guidance of feeling. How does it feel to think of your accomplishing survival needs...as “false”?  Also, it could be said that the difference between experientially surviving, and experientially creating, is the attachment or not, to thoughts / things. In the same manor, spiral dynamics is useful & exponential to understanding and creating, but is not useful if one identifies by it. 

[Amit]

@Nahm Ah, when I asked the question, some fears are being surfaced related to survival needs, so my thoughts were influenced by that. But in a different state, I get the point that Truth is more about direct experience, and is not expressible in an absolute sense. 

The point of my asking the question was also about deepening the understanding by looking things from different perspectives, to resolve my own conflicts. 

5 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Amit  not believing / attaching to thoughts. “Put” thoughts in the “things category”, as they aren’t actually “yours” either. Listen to the guidance of feeling.

Also, don't feelings and thoughts create each other? Definitely not all the thoughts are mine but some of them I realised to be a good map of the reality, also some of them even I created based on my deeper assumptions. 

Is feeling the source? I have read somewhere that feelings, thoughts and behaviours make a cognitive triad, that all influence one another. I would love to know your view on that. 

Thanks!! 

[Nahm]

@Amit How is thought, feeling & behavior directly experienced by you? Check and see. When you asked the question, and felt “fear”...what is it? 

[Amit]

@Nahm I have only bunch of people in my life, and find meaning in working for their well being. It's fine for me to not listen to best of my friends, and i am able to distance myself from them. But my family which have highest expectations and also see materialistic wealth and married being a success and desire for me to fulfill those desires. I just can't help myself confronting them on this, also as now I am trying to go deep into my life work, investing in it both money and time. Also I feel lonely at times, as my friends/family are not able to get where I am coming from. So basically I am putting all of myself and taking risks for these people. There arise fears of failure, fear of hurting others, basically a lot of cognitive load. Also had people pleasing tendencies, and a bit of childhood trauma, which I think is resolved now. 

Currently I am along with my learning, also working on a business and it gets very tense.

[Nahm]

@Amit Thanks for sharing, all very relatable btw. In looking at what you wrote there...take a minute to look at what of it is thought, what is perception (seen), what of it is sensation / feeling. Then, once located, where is the fear? Is it in thought, perception, or sensation / feeling? 

[Amit]

@Nahm thanks for the advice, In my case this fear originates from feelings/sensation and then in that state thoughts of it arises, and then finally it clouds the perception. 

[Nahm]

@Amit I want to acknowledge that it very much seems to be the case, and that I feel for you. “Where you’re at”, is not a fun place or time. There is this which gets referred to as awakening, enlightenment, etc. Obviously as you’re on the forum, you’ve heard of it. This could be the turning point from the “unawakened” “unenlightened” paradigm, taking the ‘turn’, the first step, into the new paradigm of what is pointed to by the word awakening. Having said that, what you said, as true and accurate as it does seem, it is not at all true. Further, unfortunately, you will continue to feel as you are until you see this. I want to help you see this. 

[LfcCharlie4]

I also think what he means is pursuing them blindly as if they will give you complete happiness as society sometimes suggests. 

Enlightened beings still often work for money, have sex and enjoy the finer things in life. The difference is they can fully enjoy and appreciate them even more because they know they aren't the source of happiness, and simply experiences to be completely embraced and enjoyed. 

Also, awakening will change these things for you and 'upgrade' other areas of life. You won't allow yourself to get away with scamming people for money, or manipulating girls into sex, this makes things harder which the Ego doesn't like hence the resistance. But, it also makes them much better when you earn Money through providing real value, and have meaningful sex for example.