Trump Will Be Hard To Beat

[Zega]

After listening to the state of the union the other day I realize that the republican party really knows what they are doing. There was so much manipulation, pandering to minorities, indirect fire at Bernie, and blatant lies that people cheered for... 

It's going to be difficult to go up against that. Sam Seder said it would be like running against W without the Iraq war being a factor, and that doesn't seem far off. 

The democratic party is going to have to have a big turnout and I don't see anyone being able to take on Trump in a debate other than Bernie. 

I'm hopeful, and things are going well for Bernie so far, but it's going to be a difficult election to win regardless. 

[Leo Gura]

Those are his lapdog supporters.

Most of the country is repulsed by him.

I think beating him will be easy. Bernie or Pete will beat him.

Trump can pander all he wants be he's not going to gain any new supporters. Minorities certainly won't fall for his bullshit pandering. The pandering is to give cover to the racists in his base, so they can feel comfortable in their minds about not looking like racists.

[Zega]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Those are his lapdog supporters.

Most of the country is repulsed by him.

I think beating him will be easy. Bernie or Pete will beat him.

He knows how to work his supporters; they'll all be at the polls. The left doesn't have that kind of voting commitment. 

I'd like to think that will change with Bernie. I like Pete too, but bigotry is still a factor that will inevitably lose him some support. 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Zega said:

The left doesn't have that kind of voting commitment

Yes it does. Trump pissed off a lot of people, even some classic Republicans.

2018 showed it.

[Hatfort]

I'm getting more optimistic, but there is a long way to run yet. Democrats have to insist on the especific policies that they are going to implement. Bernie is very consciously doing that, starting with healthcare, and that's how he has earned the biggest base support and people donating to his campaing.

Republicans won't necessarily fight clean, just remember Florida on the 2000, Bush and Gore election. Trump and his loyals are even worse, I'd say cheating without being noticed is part of the fair game for them, totally red. But Democrats have learned too, even in the very recent primary events we have seen that people won't get any shit, it's not about being suspicious, it's about demanding clean elections and results, and also making sure they are, which is great we seem to be in that point.

If Bernie is the candidate, what he is proposing is very ambitious, very powerfull companies would stop making millions with those policies implemented. They are going to fight him hard, starting with the media which they heavily control, but they can't control the whole internet, at least yet. There will be international interference, but as long as the parties don't seek or buy them on purpose, that's part of the world geopolitic game now, I wouln't focus on that much. How can you stop Russia or China doing whatever they want, as long as it's not an act of war or go against commertial agreements? You can't. If they prefer Trump because he is an unconscious corrup leader in the White House, they will interfere in his favor and there is no way to stop that. The strategy for the Democrats remains the same, show American people their policies will make their lives and their economy better, because they will.

Bernie just got in the race right now, a few months ago he was still being underestimated and not taken very seriously. Last time a president endangered such powerful forces, I would say he ended up with some bullets inside and dead, John Kennedy. Then his brother Bobby, who was even brighter, got his ration too when was running his primaries and he was going to win them, as well as the presidency, Americans just adored this family. I know, I'm exaggerating, times have changed and today it won't get to that, Sanders is not going to be killed, but just don't expect a fair fight, before and after the elections. Between Obama and Sanders, man, there is a big gap. Not going against Obama, because he reached where he could, but Sanders is showing way more ambition.

[Parththakkar12]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Those are his lapdog supporters.

Most of the country is repulsed by him.

I think beating him will be easy. Bernie or Pete will beat him.

Trump can pander all he wants be he's not going to gain any new supporters. Minorities certainly won't fall for his bullshit pandering. The pandering is to give cover to the racists in his base, so they can feel comfortable in their minds about not looking like racists.

But LEEEEOOOOO (I had to use that phrase lol), everyone said he'd be easy to beat in 2016! Now that doesn't imply anything about 2020, but we need to bear that in mind and proceed with caution.

There's serious Republicans who say stuff along the lines of 'Do I like Trump? No, I think he's stupid. Do I have a problem with him being in office? Not really, cuz I don't want someone from the other side. 'The Left' is evil and they want to destroy our God-given Western Civilization!' (Or so the evangelicals like to say lol)

I know, I'm just never able to take anything Trump says/does seriously. But there's a surprisingly large number of people who think along the above described lines. Their only source of political education is Fox News and they admire Trump just cuz he's a 'billionaire who has a hot wife and daughter'. People's reasons to vote for President are weirder than we can imagine!

That being said, he has tried to pull some crazy stuff like declare war on Iran needlessly. My hope is that people wake up to his reality and the Dems capitalize on this.

Edited February 6, 2020 by Parththakkar12

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

everyone said he'd be easy to beat in 2016!

I didn't. I was worried he might win precisely because he appeals to stage Orange.

But the difference is, now, after 4 years, people are much clearer about who Trump is. In 2016 Trump won because he had fooled lots of people with this fake successful businessman persona. People voted for him because they assumed he would be like an ordinary successful business executive -- like Mitt Romney. They didn't expect him to be an incompetent racist moron man-baby scumbag. Now the cat is out of the bag.

Back in 2016 it wasn't fully clear how Trump would govern or behave in office. Even those who thought it would be bad didn't expect the total circus we got.

[Hatfort]

@Parththakkar12 I'd say Trump had some kind of anti establishment halo around him on 2016, he wasn't taken seriously either and that's a big mistake all his opponents in his primaries made and also Hillary. There are some kind of odd candidates, like actors, comedians and famous people, Beppe Grillo in Italy seemed a joke, Schwarzenegger in California or Trump in this case fall in that category too, and for some reason they get simpathy and support and they win.

But the enchantment is gone, he does not have that now, he is the president and everyone has seen him in charge. A lot of his supporters got very loyal, but a lot of them have distanced from him and his manners too. This is just my perception, I could be wrong.

[Parththakkar12]

When he'd won the last time, I'd had a few scary sleepless nights out of panic. I remember the expressions of shock on the faces of Obama and Hillary. I myself was preparing to come to the United States for grad school in Fall 2017. My friends who were also preparing, were just really scared of the consequences of this on America's immigration policy getting worse! They were seriously negatively judging American people for having elected Trump. I kid you not, they had a fear of increased racism in America cuz a racist got elected.

Now that they are in America and they're living peacefully there they're seeing what's what and their fears and judgements have gone away for the most part. But I have a lot of friends with Green cards who have been scared to leave America, just in case Trump imposes a travel ban!

[abundance]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Those are his lapdog supporters.

Most of the country is repulsed by him.

I think beating him will be easy. Bernie or Pete will beat him.

Trump can pander all he wants be he's not going to gain any new supporters. Minorities certainly won't fall for his bullshit pandering. The pandering is to give cover to the racists in his base, so they can feel comfortable in their minds about not looking like racists.

Not to be too pessimistic but I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets another 4 years. A new Gallop Poll shows his approval rating increased. The impeachment has seemed to rally his base even further. 

I think it really depends on voter turn out and who is the nominee. If Pete get the nomination (which I doubt because he doesn't have minority vote) the attacks against him will be brutal. And that is aside from the fact many people just wont be inspired to make that trip to the voting booth. I think we forget how much the average American is disengaged from the politcal process.

[purerogue]

Allot can happen on election time, drama and all that stuff, as for now, I do not see any reason why Trump would lose, his base has gotten only stronger, even if some people are not as found of him as before , they will still chose him over other side. 

He has done good job in his presidency, media can make as many headlines calling him out on stupidest things, but it does not matter to anyone who can think past it and actually follow events, not constant word twisting,lies of media to fuel their agenda, they are thous people who will see you do something and go around spreading their own most twisted interpretation they can think of, allot of people are tired to see it and you can't stay blind to it forever. 

Although I would like to see some better candidate who would come with  amazing new ideas and would actually be able to implement them without breaking rest of the system, I do not see such candidates this election Bernie might be more progressive in a way, but I highly doubt that he has slightest clue what his reforms will do to country and I would be more scared to give military power to someone like him rather then Trump, such people can go crazy with such power and pushing their "peace", or they can take no part at all and become puppets of higher military officers 

 

Edited February 7, 2020 by purerogue

[Zega]

1 hour ago, purerogue said:

Bernie might be more progressive in a way, but I highly doubt that he has slightest clue what his reforms will do to country and I would be more scared to give military power to someone like him rather then Trump, such people can go crazy with such power and pushing their "peace", or they can take no part at all and become puppets of higher military officers 

 

On 2/6/2020 at 0:07 PM, Leo Gura said:

 

Do you have the slightest clue what his reforms will do to the country? Nobody can say for certain. 

Bernie gave a great speech addressing the misinformation and lies in Trumps state of the union and he's the only candidate that can do that. 

Trump has done a good job positioning himself politically and playing on people's fears. This comes back to him being a stage red/orange person manipulating people to get where he wants. 

His base is strong because, as he's stated, he can shoot someone in the street and be politically unaffected. He has been banking off the economy thriving from the Obama administration and the only people benefiting are the super rich. Amazon paid less than 2 percent in taxes last year. 

The things he says he's done in his term are often exaggerated, in need of context, or are blatant lies. His supporters don't car either way as long as he says God is good and so are guns. Murrica! 

It will be hard to beat him but not impossible. 

 

Also, two words: a lot

[Leo Gura]

I predict Trump loses in a humiliating landslide to Bernie.

[lmfao]

BERNIE BROS RISE UP 

If Bernie is the democratic candidate, the memes during the election will be funny as well. Biden is so fucking uninspiring, all he can do is milk dry his association with Obama "haha yes I worked with the first black man to be president". 

Edited February 7, 2020 by lmfao

[Derek White]

@lmfao but you’re with the yang gang.

[Florian]

@Keyhole

15 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

God I hope so.

Ok, imma make that happen.

[Bodigger]

Dems will work hard to make sure Bernie is not the nominee because he is not a Democrat.  However, if he is the nominee the Dems will do little to help his campaign and Trump will win big.

[Forestluv]

15 minutes ago, Bodigger said:

Dems will work hard to make sure Bernie is not the nominee because he is not a Democrat. 

Yes. Bernie is not a democrat, he is officially an independent. This will play very well in a general election. There is an enormous number of people that are sick and tired of both political parties. The biggest swing group, by far, is non-voter to voter. . . Bernie's independent status will be a huge asset. 

15 minutes ago, Bodigger said:

However, if he is the nominee the Dems will do little to help his campaign and Trump will win big.

Bernie doesn't want help from corporate dems. They are part of the problem. Criticism from corporate Dems helps Bernie get stronger. It fuels the grassroots movement. People are sick of corporate corruption, including corporate dems. Bernie supporters can't stand corporate corruption and the Clintons. Bernie is the only candidate that cannot be labeled as corrupt. The best the repubs can do is label him a "socialist" and they have a big surprise coming when people realize what democratic socialism looks like. This will play very well in a general election. 

Consider that in Canada, even the most conservative politicians are fully behind M4A. Speaking out against M4A would be political suicide, even for a conservative. That's how popular this "socialist" health care is. 

Progressive dems will be fully behind Bernie with their heart and soul. Not hunger for power and money at any cost - like Repubs and corporate dems. 

 

[lmfao]

3 hours ago, Derek White said:

@lmfao but you’re with the yang gang.

I kept that on my profile cuz I can't think of anything funnier/better. 

[Arcangelo]

Trump will be impossible to beat.

No one is immune to self deception, this thread proves it.

I predict Bernie loses in a humiliating landslide to Trump.

 

Arc