No Self

[Teags]

While holding a strong sense of self and asking who am I, I realised that my sense of self is not real and is just an illusion. What now? Do I just keep repeating the process of looking even though I know it's not anywhere to be found?

[cetus]

@Teags What now? Rest as awareness

[Teags]

@cetus56 is resting as awareness the next step towards enlightenment? 

[Andre]

@Teags the enlightened realises what it is

[Azrael]

48 minutes ago, Teags said:

@cetus56 is resting as awareness the next step towards enlightenment? 

No, if you put it that way you make enlightenment something achievable and the act of resting in awareness as a right behaviour that one needs to hold up.

What @cetus56 has found out for himself, what I am realizing and what you @Teags will realize as well when you have looked into yourself and the nature of reality for some time is that you are in this very moment exactly as you should be, that you couldn't be any other way and that you as a "believed and envisioned" entity are not responsible for all of what you do. It's more like what you think you currently are is a the thought of self that is present in some moments - while in others it is just not there or semi-present.

This can been very clearly seen with enough awareness - which also can't be produced but let's say given the space to develop through meditation - and then by clearly seeing this you will naturally and calmly rest in awareness - as you always did, as you will always do.

The difference is that if you look a movie for 20 years straight, think you are the very main character and you know it's gonna be fucking ending in 60 years you will be highly miserable if you don't realize that you just sit in a cinema watching it. Enlightenment is your buddy that comes at you and says: "Whuu, wake up, idiot." - But you still sit on your seat as you always did.

[Mal]

@Teags

Keep making subject an object until there is nothing but Absolute subjectivity.  You won't have to ask anymore questions.

 

 

[Teags]

@Arik thank you for your reply. So what your saying is I should just keep practising mindfulness through meditation and hopefully raise my awareness enough that I will eventually see what you are trying to explain to me. 

Looking for practical tips and advice to progress higher in awareness.  

[Toby]

Get yourself a teacher. A real teacher.

[Teags]

30 minutes ago, Toby said:

Get yourself a teacher. A real teacher.

@Toby any recommendations? 

[Azrael]

54 minutes ago, Teags said:

So what your saying is I should just keep practising mindfulness through meditation and hopefully raise my awareness enough that I will eventually see what you are trying to explain to me.

Your awareness will naturally raise. Don't worry about that. If you just sit down every day and meditate, inquire your own nature and get in touch with your intuition this just comes by. It's like when you are running 6 miles every day for the next year you will be a professional runner at some point nevertheless who you are. But it takes some time.

So just go on. For me personally I was very occupied with the thought "what if I do this wrong / what if I go in the wrong direction / what if .." for the first year doing this and it seems to me that you have to go along that road for some time to get to the realization that there is actually nothing you can actively do to push it, to get it, to get in there.

Then you try to "not do" all of this and trying to get it that way. Doesn't work as well. At some point you just say: "Fuck all this, I don't give a shit." At that point - which you can't actively create - it comes to you. At least that was a major shift on my journey.

So, to be practical for you: Keep your meditation up, whatever works for you. For me it is "Do Nothing" + strong determination sits. For others it's mindfulness, self-inquiry. You know the techniques. They can all expand your awareness which is ultimately needed to go from an intellectual hypothesis to an experiential proof / change of mind. Plus investigate how you think, where thoughts come from, how you are reacting in certain situations. Get to know yourself as deeply as you can, connect with your intuition and get in flow with life. The rest comes when it is time.

Cheers

[Toby]

Your profile says you're from Australia. Byron Bay: Isaac Shapiro. Sydney: Isira. Melbourne: Sailor Bob Adamson. They are all really really good, although I only met Isaac personally. Other than that I guess there are tons of teachers that come to Australia like once a year or that you can find on the internet or through  books.

[Teags]

@Arik thanks again for your reply! I was feeling a bit lost with what to do next and after watching all Leo's enlightenment videos again, there's so much info that it can make one really confused . I keep trying to simplify it all but sometimes you just feel stuck. Thanks for the practical tips! It is appreciated  

[Teags]

1 hour ago, Toby said:

Your profile says you're from Australia. Byron Bay: Isaac Shapiro. Sydney: Isira. Melbourne: Sailor Bob Adamson. They are all really really good, although I only met Isaac personally. Other than that I guess there are tons of teachers that come to Australia like once a year or that you can find on the internet or through  books.

@Toby I have never considered getting a teacher. Thanks for the info, I'll look into them  

[30secs]

@Teags

Leo said that you can develop your awareness from 100 to thousands more, so be excited and don't think you got it already:)

[Teags]

@30secs thanks for the reminder. For a moment I did think I had it but I definitely think it's a start! It was like that cube illusion (can't remember the name of it) in one of Leo's enlightenment videos, where the cube flips and then flips back. Was pretty eye opening. 

[cetus]

16 hours ago, Teags said:

16 hours ago, Teags said:

While holding a strong sense of self and asking who am I, I realised that my sense of self is not real and is just an illusion. What now? Do I just keep repeating the process of looking even though I know it's not anywhere to be found?

is resting as awareness the next step towards enlightenment? 

If I could ask, when you had the realization of self being an illusion, did it devastate your sense of "I" or was it more conceptual as an understanding. I guess what I'm asking is, how deep did you go?  Did you totally surrender to it?

[Toby]

@cetus56 that's exactly why I recommend a teacher and stop asking people that might have had glimpses but are not able to see where someone is at and guide them, especially if you think you are able to  guide  them. that's just my experience.

[cetus]

@Toby  When we transcend the façade of self, all that remains is pure beautiful empty awareness. It emerges as a state of being that is found only in the present moment. It is what we truly are. What else could be said?

[Khin]

Awareness is not the end of the road for "Buddhist enlightenment"

Knowing itself is not enough. You must experience it.The way to do is, search how all senses arise. Example, when you body touched something, the sense of touch will arise. If you don't exist or if the object touched in particular time doesn't exist, that particular sense will not appear in that particular moment. It means everthing appear only according to causes. Then search if that sense still exist. In the end, your body will turn blue underground and everything you value will disappear as your senses disappeared. That is to confirm that you as an entity don't exist. 

Edited June 16, 2016 by Khin
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[Khin]

After saying "I" don't exist, why would even awareness be the remaining? LOL

People want happiness and that "Beautiful" something. Doesn't matter whatever you know, just something beautiful or comfortable state. Well..... human nature. ..

Edited June 16, 2016 by Khin