Coronavirus

[Hatfort]

@remember

34 minutes ago, remember said:

you are already in it sweetheart, all the time  

it‘s just a matter of adjusting the buffer zone and a matter of going from opaque to transparency. 

Really? Well, good to know.

[pluto]

Align with the true self and embody your true sight.

Don't fall for the distractions.

Mainstream Media is poison for the mind.

Stay close to nature and everything will flow.

[Jordan94]

You guys can check the World Health Organisation for numbers or infos, it's gonna be better than medias or social media

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

 

And the numbers are growing pretty fast but probably still not much worry to have if you consider that the flu kills like 10 000-30 000 people every winter in the US for example

[Scholar]

Some basic information on Viruses and the Coronavirus, it's fun to listen to this Doctor he is very likable.

 

[Scholar]

Look at this:

Bill Gates the prophet. Being not prepared for a virus that spreads asymptomatically by air transmission.

 

Do you guys think a global pandemic could contribute positively to the reduction of human caused environmental destruction?

 

[Scholar]

I think this nCov outbreak is actually a really good case study for several human dynamics that are prevalent in our current culture. There are a few things I noticed:

1. People have a desire to establish certainty and confidence.
   • People want to know what is going on and what is going to happen, they want to be able to establish a position so that they do not have to wrestle with the ambiguous nature of reality. They will do so even if the data is insufficient, just so they can get an issue out of their mind.
2. Positions tend to extremefy themselves as each is trying to be the opposition of the other.
   • People adopt an unconscious bias when they are skeptical of conspiracy theories. Their reaction to a conspiracy theory is not the seeking of truth, but the deconstruction or debunking of the conspiracy theory. When a conspiracy for example exaggerates the problem, the skeptic will not seek the facts objectively, instead he will seek a position opposite to the exaggeration. The skeptic seeks the position that is on the other spectrum of the extreme. Instead of saying the facts of the matter, they will, in reaction to the exaggeration, downplay the facts. This can be observed in a lot of cultural oppositions:
     • Socialism vs Capitalism
     • Veganism vs Carnivorism
     • Atheism vs Religion
     • Trust in Institutions vs mistrust in Institution
     • etc.
   • Notice how dangerous this can get and what kind of amplification effect there is going on. The example of trust in institutions is an excellent one:
     One side is skeptical of institutions due to whatever reasons, with that skepticism come irrational conclusions like Anti-Vaxxing, Climate-Change-Denial, Flat-Earthers, Anti-science and so forth. As an opposition the "rational" side will decide to embrace the opposite of that stance, the complete trust in institutions, science, government and so forth. Because their position is reactionary, they lose all the nuance, they lose all genuine points and half-truths in their oppositions viewpoint. The vegan dismisses the ex-vegan who struggled, which makes the ex-vegan anti-vegan, and not just anti-vegan, soon they might actually embrace complete carnivorism. The most extreme opposition, a literal duality. The vegan will deny any possibility that the vegan diet could be a struggle for some people, and the carnivore will deny that plants could possibly be health. It is cholesterol vs "anti-nutrients", there is no inbetween. Look at Joe Rogan, he had to contend with the evidence that a plant-based diet could be healthy, and for the first time he admitted that the evidence actually agrees with that. A month later he goes and tries a full-carnivore diet. He went even more extreme because his ego could not handle giving up his position.
     The same is true for the atheist who seeks to debunk the religious person. They become defined by the opposition to the religion, their reaction to the irrational.
     
     This means that the reaction to the irrational leads to irrationality. The blind skepticism of the irrational position leads to biased cognition. It is not about whether or not God exist anymore, it is about "God exists!" vs "It is irrational to believe God exists!". There is no curiousity, there is no desire for truth anymore. One does not want to know the truth, one wants to destroy the opposition.
      
3. People "virtue signal" rationality
   • People want to look and come off as rational, collected, superior in thinking, more spiritual and advanced than others. I keep observing this. When someone worries about the nCov virus, in ths forum a very common answer is: "It's a distraction, go back do you spiritual work!" This does not seem to me like genuine advice but rather an effortless dismissal to not have to engage with the problem at hand. "Look at me, I am so advanced I don't even think about these worldly issues anymore, who cares about politics and climate change. We are all eternal and everything is impermanent!". It is so obvious that these kinds of statements aren't helpful to anything. They don't actually encourage someone to go and focus on meditation, and they are not really appropriate as a response to worldly issues.
     Outside of this community this phenomena manifests as a general tendency to want to come of as reasonable and foreseeing. "No need to worry about any of this because SARS is worse anyways!". Notice that it takes almost no research to say "SARS is worse than nCov!",  and notice how ignorantly irrational such a statement is at a point when we simply do not have the data to make such a statement with any confidence. It's all about "You are panicking! You are being irrational. Look how rational I am, I am not panicking at all. I am calm and collected and I have the TRUTH right here!". When this is what you focus on, you are not actually being rational, you are being emotional. Because the rational position is to look and wait, not to make statements that we have no way of yet knowing whether or not they are true.

 

[StarStruck]

On 28-1-2020 at 6:25 PM, ravlondon said:

I know this may sound ridiculous to some but I am fearful off coronavirus. 

I live in London and there are all ethnic groups here and the tube is always packed full of people. 

Do you lot think I should wear a scarf or face mask on my commute? 

Eat bone marrow (soup or grilled) to boost up your immune system.

[Scholar]

The WHO now states nCov poses a grave threat to the rest of the world and must be contained before the window of opportunity passes. They are especially concerned of nCov spreading to countries with weaker Health Care Systems. NCov poses a threat not due to the inherent sickness and deadliness of the virus, but it's potential for sociatal and especially economic impact, as we can observe in China already.

 

 

Here is a time-stamp on the topic we were discussing here about panic vs rational preparation.

 

Edited February 11, 2020 by Scholar

[unicity]

So @Elham, are you staying at home more theses days?

 

[purerogue]

It has already spread to allot of countries, hard to take government that lets it spread serious, no action taken until it has already started to infect thousands , which is already to late, instead of closing border until China deals with it on their end and putting people in quarantine for proper periods of time , till you can be sure that they will not infect others ,they let everyone run free, in my personal opinion it is already to late and in month it will be all over the world. 

Edited February 24, 2020 by purerogue

[hoodrow trillson]

Bump.

Check out the headlines right now.

[EspenCeption]

This video seams very informative on how you can survive the virus

 

[Commodent]

One interesting thing that I haven't seen anyone mention:

Among 42,050 active cases, 18% is classified as serious or critical. 

Among 45,620 closed cases, 7% of them ended with death. 

Stats from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

There are probably several mild cases that goes under the radar, but noteworthy nevertheless. Taking current cases divided by number of deaths is not an accurate way of determining the death rate, as nearly half the cases are still active and the outcome is not yet clear.

I foresee that these kinds of diseases will be much more likely in the future as our population increases. This kind of thing happens in nature all the time: Populations get too large and collapse due to lack of resources and infectious disease. I see no reason why humanity would be an exception.

Edited March 1, 2020 by Commodent

[unicity]

5 Million Cases Worldwide, 650,000 Deaths Annually: The Seasonal Flu Virus is a “Serious Concern”, But the Wuhan Coronavirus Grabs the Headlines

https://www.globalresearch.ca/flu-bigger-concern-wuhan-virus-grabs-headlines/5701932

[Scholar]

20 hours ago, unicity said:

5 Million Cases Worldwide, 650,000 Deaths Annually: The Seasonal Flu Virus is a “Serious Concern”, But the Wuhan Coronavirus Grabs the Headlines

https://www.globalresearch.ca/flu-bigger-concern-wuhan-virus-grabs-headlines/5701932

https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/belgium-all-news/97781/scientist-takes-de-block-to-task-over-governments-covid-plans/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

 

There is a reason why we take such severe measures against possible pandemics vs seasonal flus. The analysis you have provided is one-dimensional and myopic. Please do some research before you spread misinformation that is especially harmful in this kind of situation.

 

 

Edited March 2, 2020 by Scholar

[RareGodzilla]

Honestly, if you can you should probably avoid using the tube. It would be best if you could commute by bike, or some other way. 

[ravlondon]

Not possible, I'm going to check if I have coronavirus, then take precautions from there. 

[ravlondon]

People told me I was full of shit for being paranoid about this in January

[Esoteric]

[Arcangelo]

12 hours ago, Dutch guy said:

Easy to underestimate.

Yes even by health care professionals.