Closing in Game

[TheAlchemist]

Just had a major insight into this whole game thing.

We need to adjust our game based on what spiral stage the girls are on!

Stage orange game works in the U.S because most club girls are very stage orange. Stage Green game works really well in Berlin clubs because almost all the girls are strongly stage green. 

This is why the rsd stage orange pickup advice works so badly also here in Finland, most of the girls are stage green

I have personally tested this by going into more stage orange hip hop style clubs here and guess what? Stage orange game works really well there! It does not work very well in clubs where typical Finnish (stage green) girls go.

I think this is why @Leo Gura is not giving stage green or above game advice here, it simply wouldn't bring results if applied to stage orange girls! Look into what a stage orange person values and you will see exactly why the more traditional (stage orange) pickup principles work on them! 

 

Edited January 25, 2020 by TheAlchemist
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[Byun Sean]

people here are getting way too moralistic and religious about pickup. Is there some law written in the universe how one should or should not approach a girl? No. If a guy wants he can approach a girl, have sex with her, treat her like a sex object and leave. 

You have to bite that bullet that people can do whatever the hell they want. And no amount of your whining as a woman will stop men.

Its basic biology. The entire reason a guy approaches a girl in the first place is because he finds her physically attractive and wants to fuck her. He doesn't know anything about her personality or anything at least in traditional pickup. 

You are demonizing men for an inherent biology of attraction they did not choose. for most guys 70-80 percent of why a guy likes you will be physical.

Now more evolved and conscious men will generally treat a woman better in a relationship. They will probably care about the girl's feelings more and actually care about relating to the other person as a human being and so on.

But demonizing men who view and treat girls as sex objects is like criticizing your own cat for licking its own butt to clean it. Both involve innate survival strategies and mechanisms at play that you may find disgusting, but thats what is. THATS LIFE. Deal with it. 

This MEN SHOULD DO THIS. MEN SHOULDN'T do this is bullshit. You'll get nowhere with this mentality but dysfunctional relationships and shadow material 

Its not a question of should or shouldn't. It's a question of what do you want and what best serves that

[Meetjoeblack]

2 hours ago, TheAlchemist said:

Just had a major insight into this whole game thing.

We need to adjust our game based on what spiral stage the girls are on!

Stage orange game works in the U.S because most club girls are very stage orange. Stage Green game works really well in Berlin clubs because almost all the girls are strongly stage green. 

This is why the rsd stage orange pickup advice works so badly also here in Finland, most of the girls are stage green

I have personally tested this by going into more stage orange hip hop style clubs here and guess what? Stage orange game works really well there! It does not work very well in clubs where typical Finnish (stage green) girls go.

I think this is why @Leo Gura is not giving stage green or above game advice here, it simply wouldn't bring results if applied to stage orange girls! Look into what a stage orange person values and you will see exactly why the more traditional (stage orange) pickup principles work on them! 

I enjoyed rsd julien. Lulz i. Never seen anything more savage and polarising. I hate hip hop clubs. I like edm. I rolled up on mixed sets, merged, sets where guy was with a girl. 

Guys assume she's got a bf. I never do that. I just let things play. I don't see fights with edm music the way I do in hip hop clubs. 

Stage green game sounds like hipster stuff like natural lifestyle lol

I don't much have the patience to see where someone is at. Push/pull and repeat. Lots of volume. More not less sets than decide who i am going with. 

I am also not interested in having a chat. Relate man to woman from go. If not down, that's fine but there's no ambiguity. Genuine desire or roll out. 

[Meetjoeblack]

1 hour ago, Byun Sean said:

people here are getting way too moralistic and religious about pickup. Is there some law written in the universe how one should or should not approach a girl? No. If a guy wants he can approach a girl, have sex with her, treat her like a sex object and leave. 

You have to bite that bullet that people can do whatever the hell they want. And no amount of your whining as a woman will stop men.

Its basic biology. The entire reason a guy approaches a girl in the first place is because he finds her physically attractive and wants to fuck her. He doesn't know anything about her personality or anything at least in traditional pickup. 

You are demonizing men for an inherent biology of attraction they did not choose. for most guys 70-80 percent of why a guy likes you will be physical.

Now more evolved and conscious men will generally treat a woman better in a relationship. They will probably care about the girl's feelings more and actually care about relating to the other person as a human being and so on.

But demonizing men who view and treat girls as sex objects is like criticizing your own cat for licking its own butt to clean it. Both involve innate survival strategies and mechanisms at play that you may find disgusting, but thats what is. THATS LIFE. Deal with it. 

This MEN SHOULD DO THIS. MEN SHOULDN'T do this is bullshit. You'll get nowhere with this mentality but dysfunctional relationships and shadow material 

Its not a question of should or shouldn't. It's a question of what do you want and what best serves that

+1 I know. Its ga. Moralize about pickup lol. Be like a sugar baby narrating about virtue lulz. 

If the topic is pickup and people want to moralize, they aren't doing it right. Its comical when the amount of bottle rats guys must sift through. Man bad for wanting sex. Girl moral for shaking guys down for free drinks. 

You wut mate? Lol

I am transparent about sexy times. I don't talk trp lol. Hell I am mostly esculating or opening more sets. 

I seriously don't fuck with stupid. If anything weird, combative, sjw, green hair or something like, i will gladly exit. I don't need accusations domestic or other. I don't have any time or patience for it. 

The point i made about a girl sleeping with Jon Jones and thinks she knows how to fight comes to mind. It's ridiculous. Moreover, the woke, pc culture, social justice nonsense, white Knight dumb, and all the above is a classic one way ticket to LJBFs followed by pornhub. 

Even more gross is the ones moralising are usually the biggest Creeps and dirt bags. Wasn't Canadas president caught doing black face lol. These people are what jesus called out for being hypocrites. Pc culture in public. Black face when the cameras aren't rolling or trips to epsteins island. These are the evil people. 

[electroBeam]

No one here has an issue with the pickup techniques, they have an issue with the orientation, the way it was implied it was to be used.

Leo's original post strongly implied that you use the techniques to have casual sex. 

People who are green strongly value deep emotional connect, above sex. They see sex as limited and they may even derive negative connotations towards it. So when you use the techniques just to have casual sex, you make your self look like an ape. 

Reason why people here are so for mutual consent is because they know most women are not just looking for causal sex, they are looking for long term partners. So if you're using the techniques for causal sex, then it's likely you aren't getting mutual consent.

If Leo rephrased the close advice to orient it towards forming a deep, intimateconnection with a women, rather than a 1 night stand, the reaction would be different.

 

Let's not kid ourselves here, the people who reacted like seretoninluv, Elisabeth, etc. Reacted because they deeply value intimate emotional connection, rather than 1 night stands. This is the core value difference. They might deny it and try to sat they are fine with 1 night stands, and are ok with casual sex, but they aren't. This isn't ok from a green perspective because its limiting, you're not aiming as high as you could be. You're choosing mcdonalds over a very classy restaurant. 

Mutual consent is important, but this reaction did not start purely from mutual consent, it started from this core value difference. 

[Meetjoeblack]

3 hours ago, electroBeam said:

Reason why people here are so for mutual consent is because they know most women are not just looking for causal sex, they are looking for long term partners. So if you're using the techniques for causal sex, then it's likely you aren't getting mutual consent.

I am guessing that you don't do pickup. 

She's either DTF or not. No.  Stop fuck off works. 

What' doesn't work is 30yrs later making up accusations like the kavanagh court case. Magical location. Nobody can verify the lie. Its garbage. 

Its blatant sexist to imply or insinuate a woman's not competent, intelligent enough or capable of giving consent. 

Its garbage and absolute nonsense. The most ridiculous is the comedian getting head and the girl makes up accusations after. 

Gives head then metoos him. Disgusting! 

There's a reason to sift through crazy. There's nothing acceptable about rapey. There's nothing acceptable about false accusations. When caught lying, jail time should follow like the two black football athletes who devil triangles a girl who makes up accusations. Is in jail as she should be ruining lives. 

Its terrifying. Any SJW or prevalence to victim culture is avoided like the plague. 

Edited January 26, 2020 by Meetjoeblack

[Byun Sean]

@electroBeamwell said.

4 hours ago, electroBeam said:

This isn't ok from a green perspective because its limiting, you're not aiming as high as you could be. You're choosing mcdonalds over a very classy restaurant. 

actually, most stage green people here are still blind to this. Only a stage yellow person and above would see casual sex and long term partners this way. Like a good ol growth hierarchy. Either one being fine.

Stage green is blind here and think that their moralistic stance for equality and mutual consent is absolute, bringing out the pathology you see here. The problem with green is they are still unable to comprehend the perspectives of all the other stages which can make them self righteous in the midst of their good intentions for equality, peace, and love

Edited January 26, 2020 by Byun Sean

[Meetjoeblack]

Food for thought. 

Pickup since its inception say from y2k on has done and proven more then 100+ years of sociology. Everybody has their little opinion but it amounts to dog shit if not field tested. Proven. 

Its a meme.

Pic or did not happen.

Receipts Separate fraudin and the KJs. I got some good one's LULz! 

Like that old saying, all is fair in love and war. Its complaints from the losers. First or last. 

There's nothing more challenging, frustrating, inconsistent, and yet free flowing then cold approach pickup. Its like a psychedelic trip. You never know what you are in for. Its just going to be a wild ride. 

I love it!  

[Meetjoeblack]

3 hours ago, Byun Sean said:

@electroBeamwell said.

actually, most stage green people here are still blind to this. Only a stage yellow person and above would see casual sex and long term partners this way. Like a good ol growth hierarchy. Either one being fine.

Stage green is blind here and think that their moralistic stance for equality and mutual consent is absolute, bringing out the pathology you see here. The problem with green is they are still unable to comprehend the perspectives of all the other stages which can make them self righteous in the midst of their good intentions for equality, peace, and love

The whole consent thing is common sense. Jordan Peterson clinical psychologist pointed out the element of stupid simping consent. In mid pump stopping to get more consent. Its retarded. 

There's a bunch of semi nude and or full nude provocative consent vids. This is how fucking stupid people are today. 

Quote

Consent videos': why more and more men are asking women to record consent before sex

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/consent-videos-the-new-rules-of-engagement-a3968086.html%3famp

Its gotten to this level of absolute stupidity. 

So be it. I got stuff archived for ages but, if you are doing pickup, if you are living that lifestyle, it's a necessary precaution due to stupidity. 

  

I have no clue about the stages you speak of. I read power vs force by DRH. Its got a spectrum. I cannot say how high or where pickup would fall. Probably +500. Higher than people moralizing and virtue signaling. Shits creepy. Doesn't pull. Has opinion lol. 

A classical example of creepy is the thread white knightin promoting how much they love woman.

Who are you trying to convince?  LULz!

Has a sock puppet with a woman's name on it. #gross

Spider senses are tingling when I hear that virtue signaling and white knight dumb. 

Edited January 26, 2020 by Meetjoeblack

[Lynnel]

I have several points I need to throw in this debate for anyone to understand :

1) You cannot be higher than a stage you're judgmental about.

So if you are judgmental about stage orange pickup you clearly have not integrated it. There is nothing wrong with casual sex - also notice how labeling sex as "casual" makes it sound bad ? Typical stage blue

I might as well say that semi irregular sex is bad, like sleeping with someone only on monday's is very very bad. Please don't. You'll go straight to hell.

If you can't get something you want you might as well call it bad, it's a great survival classic.

2) Green builds on top of orange.

There is a lot of talk about how "greeeeen or yellow" girls are all into this emotionnal connection which means that "they'll like me because I'm needy because I'm giving them all my romance and deep needy intimacy they all want"

Nope.

You need to understand that completely integrated yellow is VERY rare, as well as green, and in every case the people involved will have their own preferences and will not ignore their survival agenda and biology, things that may seem like they respond to """orange""" value tactics because they still have a good deal of integration to go trough.

Being a vegan hippie or socialist doesn't mean you're at green and will like someone based on his ability to provide deep intimacy.

Like huuuge general statements about other members are completely proposterous :

17 hours ago, electroBeam said:

Let's not kid ourselves here, the people who reacted like seretoninluv, Elisabeth, etc. Reacted because they deeply value intimate emotional connection, rather than 1 night stands. This is the core value difference. They might deny it and try to sat they are fine with 1 night stands, and are ok with casual sex, but they aren't. This isn't ok from a green perspective because its limiting, you're not aiming as high as you could be. You're choosing mcdonalds over a very classy restaurant.

Who told you 1 night stands cannot have deep emotionnal connection ? How do you know what they like and what they don't ? Maybe casual sex doesn't even exist in their reality and any sex is always beautiful no matter the time shape or form ?

Also I'm quite sure they won't look down on people who are having so called "casual" sex just because they have their own personnal preferences.

[Ananta]

This thread has gone on ad nauseam. Time to lock it up.

[Ananta]

Lastly, look what I found from Leo-

https://www.actualized.org/articles/a-rant-against-the-pickup-community