Posted January 21, 2020 Hi, Long story short, I started learning pickup at 19 because I was lonely and wanted a girlfriend, had low self esteem etc. (you know the story) At 25 I now have relatively healthy self esteem, I like the way I look and am having consistantly positive interactions with women. I still live with my parents and am wondering how to close, noticing when to close and what location. Ashwell as whether I should aim for monogamy after or to keep chasing tail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 When you say close, what do you mean? Get number, get inside pants? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) @Spiral Either, Closing on a cold approach. Edited January 21, 2020 by ravlondon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, ravlondon said: Hi, Long story short, I started learning pickup at 19 because I was lonely and wanted a girlfriend, had low self esteem etc. (you know the story) At 25 I now have relatively healthy self esteem, I like the way I look and am having consistantly positive interactions with women. I still live with my parents and am wondering how to close, noticing when to close and what location. Ashwell as whether I should aim for monogamy after or to keep chasing tail. Read MM. The biggest thing being compliant. For example, asking for a number or telling her to gimme your number. Compliance is king. After party! Food! Whatever. Test. More importantly, be willing to lose the girl to get the girl. 99% of pickup is garbage. Pull the essence. 3secs rule. DHV. Pre selection. Compliance. Isolation which is a aspect of compliance. You can suggest getting a drink, going for a smoke, a trip to Mars. The specifics are IRRELEVANT. Her complying is. The Tom Brady 25 points in 16min is ideal Hail Mary play. The same can be said for pulling. Create URGENCY. PULL! If dtf, she's coming. Again, compliance is key. Its a numbers game. focus on VOLUME not homemaker and marriage. Its lame learning pickup but Wtf is the alternative? Fap to pornhub? Incel? Marry Chad's booty call? Tyrones devil triangle single mom? Its savage man. Do your dicaprio. Live your id. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2020 @Meetjoeblack how do you dhv? i know how the rest work: 3sr, preselection, compliance, and isolation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2020 Closing involves a lot of factors and is an art in itself. This is perhaps the most advanced aspect of game on which hinge most of your results. Basically closing requires being really experienced at these things: Screening her to make sure she's possible to isolate Being really good at planning logistics on the fly. Being really good at improvising new plans Leading -- getting her used to following you around Bouncing between various locations A convenient place to isolate her to (could be her place, or even a rented motel room, or even behind the elevator) Dealing with last minute resistance, shit-tests, and endless excuses Dealing with her annoying friends who will try to cockblock you every chance they get Seduction -- physically and emotionally turning her on. How do you learn all the above? Lots of trial and error, watching other experienced guys do it, and by studying some basic theory. Expect a lot of failure and near misses. One of the dirty secrets of PUA is that even the best guys only close like 50% of the women they manage to bring home. In the end, you can't force her. And many times she will be too relucant. But even to reach this point already takes serious skill. Just learning how to isolate her is tricky. There will be so many excuses and logistical obstacles. Endless excuses. Even once you get her panties off, it's still not a lock. You can lose her at any point. You can even lose her while you're inside her! It's a circus. Nothing will increase you lay count more than having a convenient place very near to where you met her. This is HUGE! It's so important it's worth paying an extra $1000/mo for it. Living within walking distance of the club/bar is priceless in game. If you have to drive 40 mins to your Mom's house, forget about it. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2020 @Leo Gura This is the answer I was looking for. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2020 @ravlondon I would reccomend hotels as a place to close if you have to drive pretty far. I have to drive an hour and a half away to the city to do approaches, so if I close, I do it at a hotel. (In Japan though, so love hotels are a thing). After seeing a chick a few times, she might let you stay over at her place-- but she has to take a liking to you first, so make sure your a selfless lover Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2020 Get your own place, first and foremost. Then get a hot tub. Seriously. If you ask most women if they'd like to come back to your place for a soak in a hot tub, most (if they are even the slightest bit attracted to you and feel safe with you) will say yes. Most will not bring a swimsuit. And a high percentage will take the opportunity in that situation for romance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) @see_on_see Stage Orange isn't evil. Manipulation is a part of game. Leo provides legit logistical advice. Perhaps it would be helpful if you provided some examples of "Green dating advice." Keep in mind, though, that Green builds on top of orange. Edited January 23, 2020 by Adam M I make YouTube videos about Self-Actualization: >> Check it out here << Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2020 @see_on_see Some deep wisdom. Just the reply I was looking for https://antonsjournal.home.blog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2020 @Adam M zan perrion is green af Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23, 2020 hope a lot of girls read this and start to educate on cock blocker squads! in some sense it’s really counterproductive as that’s exactly what is already the problem not what will really make anyone happy - i guess you need both genders to evaluate a guy on their spiral status, guys seem to overestimate themselfs sometimes af. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24, 2020 @see_on_see ❤ “You don’t have problems; you are the problem.” – Swami Chinmayananda Namaste ? ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Adam M said: Manipulation is a part of game Its disgusting. It causes the woman to feel regretful and used, but hey, you get to put a notch on your bedpost.? “You don’t have problems; you are the problem.” – Swami Chinmayananda Namaste ? ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24, 2020 Thank you @see_on_see for your comments regarding green-level dating. I would also like to see the forum community evolve from Orange to Green. Guys that have a hidden agenda and manipulate women to satisfy their own self-centered sexual desires are a low conscious Orange - which ranges from mildly to severely toxic. And it's a crappy thing to do to women. I've had intimate conversations with women who have been treated this way by men and it has a negative impact on karma and psychology. Not just temporarily. It can have lasting effects. . . The guy may experience temporary sexual relief and feel like "a man" - yet it often has a negative impact on the woman and their mental health. . . As well, women often the most vulnerable to manipulative tactics had been in unhealthy relationships or were abused as a child. What type of man do you aspire to be? Do you want to be a man that manipulates and uses women for sex - then leave a negative imprint on her after you finish yourself off? Do you want a woman that reluctantly has sex with you after you manipulated her? Do you want to finish and then want to get the hell out of there as she wants to emotionally snuggle? Do you want her regretting having sex with you as you rationalize your unhealthy behavior? You will carry that karma too and will one day have to work through it. . . Do you want to be a man that lacks integrity and lives his life manipulating others to satisfy his own selfish desires? Do you want to be a man that lives with a hidden agenda leaving a trail of damage behind him? Such a life will catch up you. That stuff is conditioning and karma. And green level sex is soooo much better than Orange. Aim higher guys. You won't regret it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24, 2020 Twice when I was young I gave in and had sex earlier then I should have, because I liked the guys so much and thought they liked me the same. They didn't. They used me. So, every guy after that suffered because if it. I made future guys wait "at least" a month to get close to me. Period. No exceptions. When I was young I didn't understand how I guy could act like he liked me so much, but after sex wanted nothing to do with me. It was quite a mind fuck. It made me not trust men. “You don’t have problems; you are the problem.” – Swami Chinmayananda Namaste ? ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24, 2020 19 hours ago, Leo Gura said: Even once you get her panties off, it's still not a lock. You can lose her at any point. You can even lose her while you're inside her! It's a circus. If you had/have a daughter, would you want a guy to think this way about her? ... this is the type of thinking you are promoting and its not good. Women are human beings, not just sex objects. “You don’t have problems; you are the problem.” – Swami Chinmayananda Namaste ? ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24, 2020 @Anna1 Thank you for speaking out. To evolve in this area, both woman and men need to step up and speak up. It can be uncomfortable for men to speak up and call out their peers. I’ve done it myself in social circles in which I was the only man willing to do so. It isn’t easy. As well, high conscious men need to lead by example. To the men: when you see a guy sexually objectifying and mistreating a woman, know that you have the moral high ground. You may not want to get involved, yet if you do - carry yourself and speak with confident authority, because you are at a higher conscious level and have the high ground. Don’t be that guy that manipulates women into reluctant sexual compliance. Don’t be that guy that leaves a dark impression on her psyche and soul. Become a man that carries himself with confident integrity. Become a man that is attractive to women, not manipulative to women. Be a man that will only sleep with a woman with full mutual consent. The sex is so much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24, 2020 @Serotoninluv great post❤ “You don’t have problems; you are the problem.” – Swami Chinmayananda Namaste ? ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
