Can dreams just be produced by the brain?

[seeking_brilliance]

@Serotoninluv       for the record I love multiple meanings. Its like when an adult watches a kid's movie and gets a different experience, and laugh. 

 

[Nahm]

@seeking_brilliance All of those perspectives are thoughts arising, one at at time. None of them are true. Quantum mechanics, imo, is useful for understanding what a perspective is. 

[zeroISinfinity]

Searched ?for my brain never found one. Found something else but not a brain. ?

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Somehow able to type this without it. ?

Edited January 22, 2020 by zeroISinfinity

[seeking_brilliance]

40 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@seeking_brilliance All of those perspectives are thoughts arising, one at at time. None of them are true. 

Yeah yeah ?‍♂️

40 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@seeking_brilliance Quantum mechanics, imo, is useful for understanding what a perspective is. 

That sounds interesting, how can I look into that? Or a brief explanation would do ?

[Nahm]

@seeking_brilliance YouTube...double slit...quantum erasure...& John Hagelin / S.A.N.D. Eye opening stuff. That’d be a good start.  

 

[cetus]

@seeking_brilliance The brain is product of the dream. (that must have been already mentioned)

[seeking_brilliance]

7 hours ago, cetus56 said:

@seeking_brilliance The brain is product of the dream. (that must have been already mentioned)

Haha yeah.  I dreamed up a rather stubborn one for seeking_brilliance.  

[Telepresent]

"I am convinced that some dreams are spiritually orientational and show signs of future ( I got some)."

Sorry, I may be late to the party, I've not been here in a bit.

 

What has convinced you?  Why?  What's the difference between dreams that are spiritually oriented, or those that aren't?

Edited January 23, 2020 by Telepresent

[Baotrader]

On 24/1/2020 at 0:55 AM, Telepresent said:

"I am convinced that some dreams are spiritually orientational and show signs of future ( I got some)."

Sorry, I may be late to the party, I've not been here in a bit.

 

What has convinced you?  Why?  What's the difference between dreams that are spiritually oriented, or those that aren't?

I got a dream of price of gold going down and I followed it. It made me 200 bucks. It was just one out of multiple future-telling dreams I got

"The brain is the product of the dream" is what I just became conscious of about a week ago. I guess it's the only way a person would be convinced of that awesome truth. Hearing Leo say it is not enough.

Believe me, once you become conscious of sthing, no matter how much others argue that you just convinced yourself after hearing it from Leo you won't bother. That's the beauty of consciousness

[Baotrader]

On 21/1/2020 at 11:19 PM, Serotoninluv said:

I think this brings up an interesting question of what is "internal" and what is "external". Of course we could say there is no difference and everything is one. Yet part of the fun of being human is observing and creating differences based on our observations. 

For centuries humans have been curious about the source of content of dreams. Is it random? Is it related to other things? Is there intention?. . . One observation is that dreams often contain content from our waking life. For example, people and places in our waking life. As well, this familiar content is often factors in your recent waking life. One psychological study involves students that played the game Tetris for three hours everyday. This is a simple game in which a variety of differently shaped blocks fall down the screen and the player must organize the blocks. . . After a couple weeks of this, most of the students started having dreams that included Tetris-like blocks and themes of organizing blocks (yet the dream wasn't literally playing Tetris). 

This would be consistent with you observing a post about PINK packaged armodafinil in waking life and it appearing in dream life. I like how this inter-connects three components that we often see as separate. There is the reality "external" to me in waking life (the post about PINK armodafinil), there is the reality of "internal" to me (noticing the post about PINK armodafinil, imagining it and thinking about it "internally") and there is the dream state (the PINK armodafinil re-appears in the dream).

For fun, we could contemplate some new questions. In the dream state, what is "external" and "internal" to "me"? For example, the dream character went to a store that sells PINK packaged armodafinil. Is that PIINK armodafinil "external" or "internal"? . . . It depends on the relative perspective. From the perspective of the dream character, it is external. If awareness identifies as the dream character, the store and PINK armodafinal is "external". To have an experience as this dream character, there needs to be identification as being the dream character. . . Yet from the perpective of the "real me" dreaming, it is all "internal" - it is all occurring in "my" consciousness. The dream character, the store and PINK armodafinil are are internal to "my" mind. This awareness may be realized if a realization that this is all a dream is revealed. There may be identification to the dream character, yet the dream character may awaken that it is all a dream. Then there is a major energetic shift. There is a realization that Everything within this dream is occurring in "my" mind.

This can be taken to a higher level in waking life. In waking life, there is identification to a "me" character. Trees, stores, armodafinl, cars, people etc. are all perceived as "external" to me. This is necessary to have an experience as "me". Yet just like the dream character realized it was all a dream and a higher awareness appeared, the waking character can also realize it's all a dream and a higher awareness can be revealed. Remember, the "dream" character thinks it is a real waking character, until it realizes the dream. Similarly, the "waking" character thinks  it is a real waking character, until it realizes the dream. . . . When this realization occurs in dreams, we can call it "lucid dreaming" and conscious awareness we are dreaming arises. When this realization occurs in waking life, we can call it "awakening" and conscious awareness we are dreaming arises. 

To me, the practices to attain lucid dream life awareness is quite similar to the practices to attain awakened wakeful life awareness. For example, one practice to attain lucid dream life awareness is to do "reality checks" during the wakeful day. We may ask "Is this real? Is this imagined? Am I awake or am I dreaming". Then the person does a reality check - such as looking at a clock (if there are numbers on the clock it is awake reality, if there are no numbers on the clock it is a dream). Then while someone is dreaming, hopefully the dream character asks the same question, looks at a clock, notices there are no numbers and then realizes this is a dream. . . This is very similar to the practices to wake up during "wakeful" life. Much of the self inquiry, contemplations, insights are related to "what is reality? what is real? what is imagined? How do I know what is real/true and what is imagined/false?". Similar to lucid dreaming, there can be a glimpse of awakening that "I" am within a hallucination, a dream. Also similar to a dream, the identification to the "me" character dissolves and a new higher meta consciousness that this is all happening within the transcendent "ME". There is realization of "me" the dream character and "ME" the dreamer of the dream character. . . In our "waking" life, there can be an immense amount of attachment / identification to the character and there is an immense amount of resistance to awakening. The character doesn't want to be in the dream, the character wants to be the meta DREAMER. This is one of the hardest things to get over. . . Imagine you are having a dream and the dream character wants to realize itself. Yet the dream character wants to be the meta DREAMER. You will not be able to wake up and enter of meta consciousness of lucid dreaming. The dream character has to let go of its attachment/identification of being the DREAMER. If the dream character is unwilling to do this, there may be a massive struggle. From the perspective of a dream character, entering meta awareness of the dream is death. The dream character still exists, yet the identification as the dream character dies, an energetic shift occurs and a meta awareness that Everything in the dream is within the DREAMER. Now, the dream character is just another thing within the dream. The dream character, other people, trees, houses etc. all have an equivalency in that they are all hallucinations within the meta DREAMER. . . It's a similar dynamic in "waking" life. One of the hardest parts of waking up is that the personal "I" wants to be the meta DREAMER. Waking up can be an amazing process like entering a lucid dream state. Yet, waking up can also feel like death of the character (actually death of identification of the character). From the perspective of the character true waking up may seem like a nightmare - "I" gets nothing out of this. In transitional states, some mind may enter nihilism or solipsism which is a kind of half-way point - yet some minds try to get grounding in this state, can get stuck and spiral into dark places. Other minds seem to let go much easier. My guess is that minds that are curious, flexible, imaginative and like to explore various conscious states, the paranormal and dreams are able to let go and make more efficient progress than minds that are highly analytical and want static, concrete grounding of what reality is. 

For a moment I thought you were Leo. You explain it with such precision. 

Impressive