MDMA and Nitrous: Being pure Consciousness (Trip Report)

[Gneh Onebar]

@LfcCharlie4  What do you mean by MD. MDMA?  

[LfcCharlie4]

@Leo Gura out of interest, how comes? 
 

mainly for health reasons? If you’re doing PU regularly it would seriously hamper life if you’re out drinking most nights so I get that completely. 

[LfcCharlie4]

@Gneh Onebar yeah mate MDMA, or pills which usually contains loads of other shit unfortunately. 
 

Problem is with 16-20 year olds is responsibility and being sensible, and of course our brains aren’t developed fully at that age increasing the risk further.

[Gneh Onebar]

@LfcCharlie4  Jep, that's right. My first MDMA experience 'happened' when I was 30 years old. Never tried the substance in a party context, only at home or in nature with my partner or close friends. MDMA seems to have a huge therapeutical benefit, if it is used with caution and in the right context. Never experienced an ugly comedown.

[LfcCharlie4]

@Gneh Onebar  Yes, I'm 90% sure it's being tested for use in therapy particularly in PTSD, which makes sense. 

 Yes, it is incredibly therapeutic, especially with close friends, partners etc, I've never done it solo so can't say, however it tends to make people incredibly social and active, hence its use in rave and dance music settings. 

The comedowns tend to come from overuse either too frequent or too high a dosage, shitty product, lack of sleep (Raves tend to go on until 6am at least), lack of nutrition the day after etc. Let's just say raving isn't good for your body, so add heavy dosages of drugs on top of that and it's easy to see why comedowns are common. 

I think studies have shown once every 3 months can prevent you ever doing permanent damage, but raves are weekly and people always think they're special and it won't affect them, I think https://rollsafe.org/ states at VERY MOST once a month/ 5 weeks. 

In case people read this and are interested in trying MDMA please please please read this website and take precaution when doing so, and of course do your own research:

https://rollsafe.org/

[RawJudah]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I partied sober, without drugs or drink.

Inspiring!

[Leo Gura]

18 hours ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

@Leo Gura out of interest, how comes? 

mainly for health reasons? If you’re doing PU regularly it would seriously hamper life if you’re out drinking most nights so I get that completely. 

I'm into personal development. I don't want some monkey on my back. You don't learn PU well when drunk. I have never had an interest in alcohol. It's like the opposite of a psychedelic: a stupid man's drug. It's also terrible for you. And here in Vegas drinks cost $10-$20 each! For $20 I can get a lap dance from a hot ass stripper who will rub her tits in my face.

[Baotrader]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 For $20 I can get a lap dance from a hot ass stripper who will rub her tits in my face.

You devil 

[LfcCharlie4]

@Leo Gura Fuck me, $20 a drink, tabs of acid round here cost like £10, that's ridiculous prices. 

Yeah it is terrible for you and hangovers are the worst. However, its also enjoyable from time to time when with friends, but looking at any middle aged Beer/ Cider drinker is enough to put me off from becoming a regular drinker  It would be 10x harder to lose weight, optimise your health and your life etc if your drinking every night as many adults do. 

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

@Leo Gura Fuck me, $20 a drink, tabs of acid round here cost like £10, that's ridiculous prices.

Yeah, Vegas gots to makes its monies. The fancy hotels don't pay for themselves

Micro-dosing a psychedelic would be far preferable to drinking. Cheaper, healthier, and more fun.

Modafinil is also a nice supplement for PU. Increases verbal skills and creativity.

[Aaron p]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm into personal development. I don't want some monkey on my back. You don't learn PU well when drunk. I have never had an interest in alcohol. It's like the opposite of a psychedelic: a stupid man's drug. It's also terrible for you. And here in Vegas drinks cost $10-$20 each! For $20 I can get a lap dance from a hot ass stripper who will rub her tits in my face.

@Leo Gura fuck, we dont have strippers in northern ireland lol. OR CASINOS! we only have a few lame clubs and everybody's poor ??‍♂️

Edited January 17, 2020 by Aaron p

[Gneh Onebar]

So we came from ego death and pure consciousness to alcohol and strippers.  Poor us…  But hey to be infinite means to embrace all things, because everything is god.  

Edited January 17, 2020 by Gneh Onebar

[LfcCharlie4]

@Leo Gura yeah I get you, I still enjoy drinking when out with my mates or clubbing etc, but like you say drinking too much is shit for your health and nothing worse than a hangover. 

 

hmm, what nootropics do you currently take? 
 

ive been toying with trying modafinil, however I have quite an addictive personality, and people I know say how effective it is productivity wise. 
 

@Aaron p lol, I live in a small town and it’s exactly the same unless we venture into London or Cambridge really ?

 

@Gneh Onebar You got it? nothing “wrong” with alcohol, drink it and you’ll still get drunk, but It’ll still effect your health etc. 

[fridjonk]

@Leo Gura

In C w/ G, god says you have no will to live if you drink or smoke, that you don't care about your health, even if in moderation. 

"Look Truth is Truth. Now if someone said "A little alcohol won't hurt you," and placed that statement in the context of life as you now live it, I would have to agree with them. That does not change the Truth of what I've said. It simply allows you to ignore it." 

Your thoughts on that ? 

  

[LfcCharlie4]

@fridjonk I know you asked Leo, but decide things for yourself mate, start thinking for yourself and don't let others opinions dictate your life. 

 

Just because someone said that doesn't mean it's the absolute truth and you have to follow it.....that's literally religion. No sex before marriage, 10 Commandments, Jewish Women can't even drive etc there's so many examples from religion of literally telling people how to live or bad things will happen basically. 

Alcohol isn't good for your health no that's obvious, neither is smoking. Does it mean it's 'wrong' or 'forbidden' no of course not, God gave us complete freedom to as we wish and whatever we do has consequences. So if you smoke cigarettes for 40 years there's a good chance you'll develop lung cancer for example, and if you want to be healthier and live longer it's probably best not to smoke. 

The issue I have is the western bias towards alcohol as not being a 'drug' the average person is so deluded when it comes to alcohol, it's hilarious. 

https://news.sky.com/story/professor-david-nutt-former-government-adviser-says-alcohol-is-most-dangerous-drug-11909379

This guy got fired from our government for saying Ecstasy was as safe as riding a horse from his research, as it doesn't fit the war on Drugs propoganda from Governments, it's interesting how deep this goes. 

Saying all this, I still occasionally drink, but there are ways to reduce the damage/ effects of alcohol. 

If you don't want to drink don't, if you want to drink occasionally go for it, do what's best for you. However, if you end up developing a daily habit or use it as a crutch maybe then is a time to look more into it.

LOL I just went on a huge ramble, sorry! I researched this a lot due to the stigma around MDMA, Weed and Psyches yet the love and acceptance of Alcohol and Tobacco and actually believing they aren't drugs because they're legal. 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, fridjonk said:

@Leo Gura

In C w/ G, god says you have no will to live if you drink or smoke, that you don't care about your health, even if in moderation. 

"Look Truth is Truth. Now if someone said "A little alcohol won't hurt you," and placed that statement in the context of life as you now live it, I would have to agree with them. That does not change the Truth of what I've said. It simply allows you to ignore it." 

Your thoughts on that ? 

Like I said, I don't drink or smoke. So I agree with God.

[fridjonk]

26 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

I know you asked Leo, but decide things for yourself mate, start thinking for yourself and don't let others opinions dictate your life. 

You speak as if you know I don't think for myself   I contemplate plenty, I just wanted to hear Leo's response on this extreme claim that drinking "makes you have no will to live". Because that's a little harsh if you ask me, yet 95% of the content in the book I've verified in my own experience as true. So maybe there is some truth to this claim. As he also said "the body was never meant to intake alcohol". 

32 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

 

The issue I have is the western bias towards alcohol as not being a 'drug' the average person is so deluded when it comes to alcohol, it's hilarious.

Agreed. The term drug gets thrown around too nonchalantly. Like it only applies to heroin and meth. When in fact they do drugs every morning without realizing it. 

[Gneh Onebar]

1 hour ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

The issue I have is the western bias towards alcohol as not being a 'drug' the average person is so deluded when it comes to alcohol, it's hilarious. 

LOL I just went on a huge ramble, sorry! I researched this a lot due to the stigma around MDMA, Weed and Psyches yet the love and acceptance of Alcohol and Tobacco and actually believing they aren't drugs because they're legal. 

This is so true. In germany 74000 people die yearly in the aftermath of alcohol. That's 9% of all deaths.

[LfcCharlie4]

@fridjonk yeah sorry I didn’t mean to come across like that, but I know what. I used to be like and always relied on teachers instead of using my own experience as my guiding system. 
 

In terms of health yeah alcohol is shit, but does that mean you have no will to live, I’m not so sure. I think it’s very glorified compared to other drugs sadly, but I also think it can be fun, but again it depends on you and your situation, life goals, current goals etc etc, it’s very individual. Some complete abstinence is best, for others they can drink occasionally and it hardly affects them. 
 

@Gneh Onebar Yep, similar here in the UK, but a lot of adults drink daily or 3+ times a week, and also have unhealthy diets and lifestyles. If you have a really healthy lifestyle and diet and fitness regime I’m sure it can help lessen the effects of alcohol on your health overall, I could be wrong though.

 

Basically alcohol is shit for your health, yes, so it’s up to you whether it’s worth drinking it knowing the consequences and where you are in life, but it’s also really fun, so basically enjoy life! ?