Do you think some people will only Awaken like this?

[Javfly33]

I am considering If I only will Awaken if i totally surrender my fear of death.

All kind of practices, including psychedelics, it seems they can help a lot, some more than others but the fact is much of my suffering and emotional problems are rooted to my fear of death. They are rooted indeed as Leo has said with survival. 

I can´t help but to think that my liberation will only come if I surrender myself totally and one day let go trying to survive. This doesn´t mean that I will commit suicide. This will mean that I will let go of trying to control anything. This would implie leaving my job and any fear of not seeing my relatives again, I´ve always felt a very attraction to the mountains/nature, lately I been imagining my Awakening will happen when I can´t take the pain that the "I" creates anymore and I stop giving attention to the "I", trusting my "heart", walking to a mountain with no food but just focusing on my breathing and letting go of any thoughts of fear until I free myself of myself. 

Some people might call this reckless but again, I am just trying to be realistic.

pd: I yet haven´t tried significant doses of psychedelics though, and neither long-spiritual retreats. I´ll wait and not jump into conclusions until I try this two options for some time, but something tells me I don´t think I´ll get Awakening withouth true surrender and total courage and faith in the heart. And this can´t come from an external source (spiritual practice or method).

Edited January 8, 2020 by Javfly33

[VeganAwake]

@Javfly33  This "I" character that wants liberation is the illusion. It's the cosmic joke.

Liberation occurs when the "I" character falls away. 

Where is this "I" character located in the body?  Turn within and see if you can find it. ❤

[zeroISinfinity]

Ok but what if there is no body?!

(oh you silly?) 

There is no "I" that's true but it is realized by that very same "I" as new beleif. 

All the while same lens is still kept. 

Truth is very very Radical. 

Edited January 8, 2020 by zeroISinfinity

[VeganAwake]

Ummm that's what is meant by the cosmic joke bud.

There isn't anyone looking and there's no one to find. 

It's also referred to as the unfindable inquiry. ?

When Liberation occurs the individual is gone and recognized as never being...❤

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

I can´t help but to think that my liberation will only come if I surrender myself totally and one day let go trying to survive.

Nothing less will work.

So long as you are attached to needing to survive, you are enslaved to falsehood and all your actions will be corrupted by devilry.

This is what is really means to sell your soul to the devil. Your birth was the selling of your soul. Now you are in a struggle to get your soul back.

You sold your soul the day you said, "I am a human."

How does a devil scrub himself of himself?

[zeroISinfinity]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

 

You sold you soul the day you said, "I am a human."

Thanks @Leo Gura for this. ❤️

Being I love it. Infinite Love. 

So True. My fault. MYSELF just amazing. 

[VeganAwake]

21 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Ok but what if there is no body?!

(oh you silly?) 

There is no "I" that's true but it is realized by that very same "I" as new beleif. 

All the while same lens is still kept. 

Truth is very very Radical. 

If that's the case then the illusion wasn't completely seen through.

THIS turns into a completely impersonal experience

[zeroISinfinity]

@VeganAwake Turns into Pure Conciousness =Infinite Love, Goodness etc THIS IS FELT and it's real you. 

Enlightenment is actual. 

[VeganAwake]

2 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

@VeganAwake Turns into Pure Conciousness =Infinite Love, Goodness etc THIS IS FELT and it's real you. 

Enlightenment is actual. 

Yes that's a way it can be said. ❤

Not doubting your enlightened.

If you explain things so deep nobody's going to ever understand what you're talking about and that's why it's important to keep your feet on the ground... your stuff is too deep lol.

There's nothing happening and no one here for it to happen to nothing really matters. This is liberation...

What naturally occurs and embodies with this recognition is unconditional love ?

[VeganAwake]

And at the same time nothing is important and nothing is too deep...

Its perfect

[zeroISinfinity]

@VeganAwake Paradox is if you want to help you have to use ego self. 

Ok. 

Really want to help you to not get drown in concepts. All pointers. Videos you are watching are actually Your True Self. Sounds wierd I know.

Just be pure sensations. Let that Love grow. Meditate deeply into your ❤️. Forget everything, Absolutelly everything like you are newborn baby. 

 

[VeganAwake]

5 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

@VeganAwake Paradox is if you want to help you have to use ego self. 

Ok. 

Really want to help you to not get drown in concepts. All pointers. Videos you are watching are actually Your True Self. Sounds wierd I know.

Just be pure sensations. Let that Love grow. Meditate deeply into your ❤️. Forget everything, Absolutelly everything like you are newborn baby. 

 

Totally agree you are the real deal..❤

I'm just saying I prefer my illusion to be a little clearer than you usually describe ?

 

[zeroISinfinity]

Just now, VeganAwake said:

Totally agree you are the real deal..❤

I'm just saying I prefer my illusion to be a little clearer than you usually describe ?

 

You do exist as ONE or Pure Infinite Conciousness Yes it is egoless because Love can't have self. 

Source is your ❤️ literally and it is All sensations right now. Don't think at all. Do what I say. 

[Inliytened1]

@zeroISinfinity @VeganAwake you two are funny

 

[zeroISinfinity]

@Inliytened1 ?

Well just saving them time to wake up to ❤️ faster I guess. They are all me and I Absolutelly love them all. There is no single doubt about it. 

You admitted kiddo. Well done. 

Leave me alone. 

Edited January 8, 2020 by zeroISinfinity

[VeganAwake]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@zeroISinfinity @VeganAwake you two are funny

 

Well there is technically no US, funniness just happens lol jk.

I think I inflated his ego he started trying to boss me around lol

Leave me alone dammit the love is fully embodied haha jk...

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, zeroISinfinity said:

@Inliytened1 ?

Well just saving them time to wake up to ❤️ faster I guess. They are all me and I Absolutelly love them all. There is no single doubt about it. 

Remember a critical part about communicating a message is that the message is understood ❤

I love you bud you're awesome ❤ ?

Edited January 8, 2020 by VeganAwake

[Jonac]

@Javfly33 no, don't go out in the mountains with that surrender mentality, you literally can die, and no in a awakening way. As veganawake says, that 'I' who wants to surrender is the cause of your suffering, try to find where is localized, but that takes time, need a lot of contemplation and investigation of the self, your emotions and perceptions. 

[Baotrader]

My opinion may hurt you guys but you guys really cannot grow and fathom or experience Infinite Love or Eternal Life just by hearing it from Leo. Hearing it from Leo could possibly even be a step back because it creates false sense of understanding while in reality you don't

[SoonHei]

Whoever awakens could only have awoken the way they did