Is contribution objectively meaningless?

[AlphaAbundance]

Is contribution, altruism objectively/absolute meaningless? Is it a subjective value placed by your mind or something else? Or it is a natural inclination once your sense of self is expanded?

What does it actually mean to say life is meaningless? Or subjectively, arbitrarily meaningless? What is meaning/value (Yes I watched Leo's video, need further explanation, advice or pointing to actions to take)? Are following your life purpose/passion, building financial freedom, having sexual abundance objectively meaningless?

[Consilience]

7 minutes ago, AlphaAbundance said:

Are following your life purpose/passion, building financial freedom, having sexual abundance objectively meaningless?

Yes. This means if you didnt do any of these, that is perfection. It means, if you did all of these, that is perfection. But hey since there’s nothing to do, and life and existence are already perfect, why not live life to its fullest potential? 

Edit: Even perfection is meaningless ?

Edited January 4, 2020 by Consilience

[AlphaAbundance]

@Consilience I see but who decides what living life to the fullest even means? Having thousands of sexual partners? Creating a massive impact? Destroying humanity? Initiating yourself in church dogma? Becoming the richest human alive? Finishing a bucket list? If all those are all meanings, are they arbitrary or what? Also theres the heavy qualification of the fact that since I'm not enlightened life isnt perfect to be right now and this suffering and joy is very real. Would you agree? Is this accurate?

[Consilience]

@AlphaAbundance I would agree insofar as whatever your mind thinks is true, is true for you. So, yes suffering and joy and very much real because that’s what your mind creates. My mind does this too, Im not enlightened. I mean... I am haha but nevermind.

Honestly, contemplate this shit. How do you derive meaning and purpose for life if it’s all meaningless? There wont be an answer that comes to you in the form of the intellect though, I’ll spoil that much. Perhaps there is a form of happiness that is completely formless and intrinsic to your direct experience. And perhaps as you become more conscious, as you embody selflessness, self love, truth and honesty you will begin to spontaneously take action which is congruent with your life purpose and higher values. I say perhaps because I don’t know what your experience will be upon investigation. For me, I no longer act out life purpose from a place of rationality or success, it is done because it is an authentic, spontaneous manifestation of my body/mind system’s energy. When you stop identifying with what you are not, you will start exerting your highest will, so to speak. But it’ll happen on its own. 

I hope this makes sense. 

[Stakres]

@AlphaAbundance Only you can answer those questions for yourself.

[Ibn Sina]

The goal is not to fight against the world of forms, the goal is to not be attached to the world of forms, the goal is to play along in the world of forms with detachment/ disidentification. ( the concept of 'Leela' of  Lord Krishna)

Edited January 4, 2020 by Ibn Sina

[LfcCharlie4]

Meaningless is the greatest gift of all, as it completely frees YOU up to do what YOU want to. 
 

You create your own life’s meaning and you get to decide how you want to live it, post awakening these “desires” will come from love and a place of higher consciousness, so you won’t hurt people for example, but that doesn’t mean you can’t create financial freedom, have an abundance of sexual partners or do whatever you want. 

[Shin]

It doesn't matter if life is meaningless, cause you feel blissful helping/contributing with what you love to do regardless (it will be meaningful to you anyway).

Think about that, does it matter if something has a meaning if you feel great doing it ?

If you need a meaning to enjoy something, it is because you need something to tell you that you are important ?

[Matt8800]

9 hours ago, AlphaAbundance said:

Is contribution, altruism objectively/absolute meaningless? Is it a subjective value placed by your mind or something else? Or it is a natural inclination once your sense of self is expanded?

What does it actually mean to say life is meaningless? Or subjectively, arbitrarily meaningless? What is meaning/value (Yes I watched Leo's video, need further explanation, advice or pointing to actions to take)? Are following your life purpose/passion, building financial freedom, having sexual abundance objectively meaningless?

@AlphaAbundance There is no objective meaning so everything is objectively meaningless but that does not take away from the profundity of subjective meaning.

Altruism has subjective meaning because of how it affects one's spiritual evolution. Raising one's "vibration" has lasting subjective meaning.

Financial and sexual abundance is subjectively meaningful because I say it is....so it is

[Mu_]

12 hours ago, AlphaAbundance said:

Is contribution, altruism objectively/absolute meaningless? Is it a subjective value placed by your mind or something else? Or it is a natural inclination once your sense of self is expanded?

What does it actually mean to say life is meaningless? Or subjectively, arbitrarily meaningless? What is meaning/value (Yes I watched Leo's video, need further explanation, advice or pointing to actions to take)? Are following your life purpose/passion, building financial freedom, having sexual abundance objectively meaningless?

Maybe this well help.  Meaningless as a lot of minds react to such a phrase =/= Meaning-less

The substance of living/life itself/totality that arises of its own accord you could say, and has nothing to do with arbitrary/subjective application of meaning.  This does not mean either that one should strive to stop themselves from finding meaning in the things they already do or may do in the future.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Mu_

[Leo Gura]

Meaning is imaginary, just like everything else.

[WelcometoReality]

12 hours ago, AlphaAbundance said:

Is contribution, altruism objectively/absolute meaningless? Is it a subjective value placed by your mind

If meaning is subjective doesn't that imply meaningless also subjective?

[Derek White]

15 hours ago, AlphaAbundance said:

Is contribution, altruism objectively/absolute meaningless

Yes

Is it a subjective value placed by your mind or something else? Or it is a natural inclination once your sense of self is expanded?

Subjective value

What does it actually mean to say life is meaningless? Or subjectively, arbitrarily meaningless? What is meaning/value (Yes I watched Leo's video, need further explanation, advice or pointing to actions to take)?

Life is objectively meaningless. YOU create meaning.

Are following your life purpose/passion, building financial freedom, having sexual abundance objectively meaningless?

Yes

 

2 hours ago, WelcometoReality said:

15 hours ago, AlphaAbundance said:

 

If meaning is subjective doesn't that imply meaningless also subjective?

No, meaning is subjective and meaninglessness is objective. You CREATE meaning/significance, you don’t need to create meaninglessness it’s just there.

 

[WelcometoReality]

55 minutes ago, Derek White said:

No, meaning is subjective and meaninglessness is objective. You CREATE meaning/significance, you don’t need to create meaninglessness it’s just there.

It might be closer to truth than meaning but it's still a distinction that we label the world with. Truth is prior to all distinctions.

[Consilience]

2 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

It might be closer to truth than meaning but it's still a distinction that we label the world with. Truth is prior to all distinctions.

The meaningless being talked about is beyond distinctions. You can create the distinction “meaninglessness” which you must do to discuss it with language, but the real, direct experience of meaninglessness is beyond meaning vs. meaningless distinction. 

[WelcometoReality]

16 minutes ago, Consilience said:

The meaningless being talked about is beyond distinctions. You can create the distinction “meaninglessness” which you must do to discuss it with language, but the real, direct experience of meaninglessness is beyond meaning vs. meaningless distinction. 

If you are enlightened as you say you are then "meaninglessness" doesn't come up at all does it?

[Consilience]

Just now, WelcometoReality said:

If you are enlightened as you say you are then "meaninglessness" doesn't come up at all does it?

I never said I was enlightened. Im pointing out something in experience and trying to point out how this experiential insight can only be communicated through duality/distinction because all language is dualistic in nature. 

For my experience, meaninglessness doesn't really come up no. Reality is. Being simply is. Nothing more, nothing less. 

[WelcometoReality]

Just now, Consilience said:

I never said I was enlightened. Im pointing out something in experience and trying to point out how this experiential insight can only be communicated through duality/distinction because all language is dualistic in nature. 

For my experience, meaninglessness doesn't really come up no. Reality is. Being simply is. Nothing more, nothing less. 

Then I must've misunderstood what you wrote earlier. I apologize.

That's the thing isnt it. It can be hard to write about our experiences. I bet we wrote the opposite of one another and meant the exact same thing. <3

[Shin]

36 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

It might be closer to truth than meaning but it's still a distinction that we label the world with. Truth is prior to all distinctions.

Pretty sure it's love ?

Gogo team love !!!

???

[WelcometoReality]

1 minute ago, Shin said:

Pretty sure it's love ?

Gogo team love !!!

???

It must be love.. love love <3