life is deterministic isn't consciousness a free will

[Conscious life]

all our life is deterministic isn't a consciousness a free will? 

@Leo Gura

what do you think? 

[CreamCat]

How do you know life is deterministic?

[28 cm unbuffed]

you always make the best decision you can at any given moment based on previous decisions that you made 

so

everything was and will always be perfect, free will and determinism are one and the same 

god is all knowing so he cannot make mistakes

you have free will that is predestined, you feel like you are deciding what you are doing but god loves you so much that he would not make you do anything wrong, so here you go - everything is scripted by god for you and you think you are the one who has the control

Edited January 3, 2020 by 28 cm unbuffed

[Stakres]

"Free will" is the biology that hasn't been discovered yet. We are being lived and have far less control than most people think.

[TheAlchemist]

You are consciousness aka. God doing whatever the fuck it wants. Things are just happening. Life happens on it's own, whether "you" think you're somehow doing things or not.

[LastThursday]

On 03/01/2020 at 9:06 AM, Conscious life said:

all our life is deterministic

Who or what determines it?

[Stakres]

@LastThursday Your organism and biology have a lot more control of you than you probably think. Look into biology, evolution and neuroscience

[LastThursday]

@Stakres no doubt there's materialistic limits and rules.

Do you think beliefs have more control of you than your biology?

[Stakres]

@LastThursday Beliefs and thoughts arise from the organism, from the biology. Beliefs is thus a subset of your biology.

Biology has control, beliefs have influence on your actions, so they are also in control

[LastThursday]

@Stakres interesting.

Do you just believe that biology has control, or is it an absolute certainty for you?  How did you find this fact out - how do you know it's true?

Is it at all possible that you have a belief in biology determining your life and that belief is just a subset of all your thinking?

[Stakres]

@LastThursday  I cannot be be 100% or know that it's true. It's just a model to describe reality.

 

We use models to describe the world. Models are approximations of the world, they are not "truth", they point to reality.

The model of "human primate" very accurately describes us and our experience. There is a lot of evidence for it, based on the scientific method and peer-reviewed science.
The model "consciousness in meat-soup" can also be used to describe the world, however there is pretty much no reviewed evidence for it and the same phenomena can be described much simpler using the "human primate" model.