Psychedelics and meditation

[4th-jhana]

Has any anybody  tried adding psychedelics to their meditation practice. Just threshold doses to see if it helped with mindfulness  or concentration

[Cocolove]

it feels like the meditation is doing itself. effortless

[4th-jhana]

But can it be sustained can the meditations and stages be done without them e eventually ?

 

[Matt8800]

4 hours ago, 4th-jhana said:

Has any anybody  tried adding psychedelics to their meditation practice. Just threshold doses to see if it helped with mindfulness  or concentration

@4th-jhana All the time

Ive experimented with different doses and different substances and tried concentration and insight meditation. Highly recommend it.

[Forestluv]

2 hours ago, 4th-jhana said:

But can it be sustained can the meditations and stages be done without them e eventually ?

This is assuming linear development toward a destination over a timeline. Ime, this has some value - yet is still contracted. There is much more going on that is nonlinear and timeless. 

Ime, combining psychedelics and meditation can be a great combination. On San Pedro, I did seven straight hours of timeless meditation with singing bowls. It was a deeply mystical experience. In general, I find mid-range psychedelics and nature to go very well together. 

[4th-jhana]

When you say midrange ,what do you mean? Duration?  Dose?     I've used ayahuasca  before  it was  Interesting  but damn you cant .meditate on it

 

 

 

 

 

[Forestluv]

7 minutes ago, 4th-jhana said:

When you say midrange ,what do you mean? Duration?  Dose?   

I mean the relative intensity of the trip. Dosages and intensity vary among people. 

For me, Aya is too physically and visually intense for me to mediate. It’s still an insightful trip though 

[4th-jhana]

I was curious  about al-lad  I heard it's like lsd lite.  I was thinking 50 to 75 mcg  before  a    couple  of 90 minute sittings 

 

[Forestluv]

14 minutes ago, 4th-jhana said:

I was curious  about al-lad  I heard it's like lsd lite.  I was thinking 50 to 75 mcg  before  a    couple  of 90 minute sittings 

That would be a mild trip for most people. I did 75mcg al-lad in a sensory deprivation tank and went into deep meditative states. 

[Cocolove]

22 hours ago, 4th-jhana said:

But can it be sustained can the meditations and stages be done without them e eventually ?

 

That's a good question. I haven't found an answer as to how much they help for when you are sober