Porn is essentially pointless.

[Consilience]

4 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

Name some of the skills of sex.

I already have. Since you’re a virgin that probably explains your beliefs on the matter. I dont say this to be mean, just as friendly constructive feedback.

As you gain experience with sex, you’ll understand how sex is in fact a skill. There’s a lot more that goes into good sex than humping. But if you view sex as completely mechanical, it’ll more than likely limit your sexual abilities in the future. 

Anyways I agree... porn feels pointless other than to remove energy from the body and mind. It actually feels harmful sometimes. 

[the-philogynist]

18 minutes ago, Consilience said:

There are techniques you can practice with sex and get better at. For example, giving oral to a woman, or a woman riding a man - there’s a skill, a finesse, a rhythm to these sexual acts that can improve over time. And after you’ve been with different partners with varying skills, you can observe the difference. Even staying with one partner, you can improve your ability to give pleasure based on feedback and thus, improve your skill. You can also get better at tuning into non-verbal cues as to what your partner enjoys. It’s an intuitive skill you can develop, being able to read what your partner enjoys in the moment without them actually having to use normal language. There are a lot of details to sex you can improve upon. This has been my experience anyways. 

Those are not skills. 

What does it actually take for her to put something in her mouth and just suck?

What does it take for her to just hop on something and just move up and down?

Yes, there are minute moments she can do within though acts but they're definitely not skills.

Like I said you don't to go to school or have training to simply have sex.

Edited December 24, 2019 by the-philogynist

[Forestluv]

16 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

There's no such thing as involuntary celibacy, you ether choose to be celibate or not.

Name some of the skills of sex.

Simply not true. There are many many men that want sex and can’t get it. There are online forums filled with men unable to get sex trying to learn skills fir pick up. 

You are speaking about human sex as if it was dog sex. For humans, it is a lot more than simply sticking an erect penis in and out of a vagina. 

The best way yo learn is through experience. For example there are skills of oral sex that took me years to learn. These include tongue dexterity, tip of tongue vs flat edge, different pressures, usage of lips, labia or clitoris, motion style, rhythm, consistency vs variation, suction etc. It’s like playing a musical instrument. There have been books written to develop these skills. Yet you need to get in there and practice. 

I somewhat agree with your OP in that watching porn is NOT a good way to develop sexual skills. I would consider it counter-productive. 

[Shin]

2 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

Those are not skills. 

What does it actually take for her to put something in her mouth and just suck?

What does it take for her to just hop on something and just move up and down?

Yes, there are minute moments she can do within though acts but they're definitely not skills.

Like I said you don't to go to school or have training to simply have sex.

9 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

 

No skill needed for lame and unfulfilling sex that's for sure.

What you describe is the same as masturbation, just with a vagina.

For deep and amazing sex, it requires much much more.

[Consilience]

3 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

Those are not skills. 

What does it actually take for her to put something in her mouth and just suck?

What does it take for her to just hop on something and just move up and down?

Yes, there are minute moments she can do within though acts but they're definitely not skills.

Like I said you don't to go to school or have training to simply have sex.

? alright buddy. Feel free to believe that. When you try to eat a woman out and get confused why just “licking” isnt enough, dont say we didnt warn ya. 

[the-philogynist]

25 minutes ago, Shin said:

You need to masturbate because you're addicted to it.

You would still be addicted with a wife.

The only difference would be that you would use your wife vagina instead of tissues to satisfy your insatiable addiction.

There is zero need to masturbate if you live your life with passion and aren't addicted to the rush of dopamine from porn and ejaculation ?

That doesn't make any sense.

If a person is still so called addicted to masturbating even though that person has a girlfriend or wife, then I ask what is it all about?

Is it about the pleasure?

Is it about the orgasm?

Both of those we can get with an actual woman in front us.

[the-philogynist]

15 minutes ago, Consilience said:

? alright buddy. Feel free to believe that. When you try to eat a woman out and get confused why just “licking” isnt enough, dont say we didnt warn ya. 

That's an insult to my intelligence.

How is the world is I'm going to get confused buy just licking something?

Those minute moments you're keep talking about are not skills. Why do you think that?

[Shin]

4 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

That doesn't make any sense.

If a person is still so called addicted to masturbating even though that person has a girlfriend or wife, then I ask what is it all about?

Is it about the pleasure?

Is it about the orgasm?

Both of those we can get with an actual woman in front us.

It is about thinking you would be happier with someone else, which is the same with chasing money, success.

You seek happiness basically, and you will never find it, because that search never stops.

[Forestluv]

2 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

How is the world is I'm going to get confused buy just licking something?

The same way you would get confused by trying to play a trumpet while thinking “I just need to blow though the hole”. 

[the-philogynist]

1 minute ago, Serotoninluv said:

The same way you would get confused by trying to play a trumpet while thinking “I just need to blow though the hole”. 

It's not a skill.

Playing a trumpet is a skill that you have to go to school or have training.

Having natural sex is not a skill.

[Consilience]

3 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

The same way you would get confused by trying to play a trumpet while thinking “I just need to blow though the hole”. 

Yes! Great analogy. 

Im sorry @the-philogynist I wasnt trying to insult your intelligence. 

Edited December 24, 2019 by Consilience

[the-philogynist]

6 minutes ago, Shin said:

It is about thinking you would be happier with someone else, which is the same with chasing money, success.

You seek happiness basically, and you will never find it, because that search never stops.

So you're saying the what masturbation is really about is fantasizing about having another woman?

If that's true then I call it greed.

But we have to learn the grass in not greener on the other side.

[Forestluv]

13 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

It's not a skill.

Playing a trumpet is a skill that you have to go to school or have training.

Having natural sex is not a skill.

You are missing out on a lot. You are referring to human sex as if it was dog sex in which an erect penis goes in and out of a vagina. Human sex is much much more than that. It’s not like hammering a nail into a walk.

You are unable to imagine what actual sex with another person is like. You would need to get the experience to discover what we are talking about. 

[the-philogynist]

41 minutes ago, Consilience said:

I already have. Since you’re a virgin that probably explains your beliefs on the matter. I dont say this to be mean, just as friendly constructive feedback.

As you gain experience with sex, you’ll understand how sex is in fact a skill. There’s a lot more that goes into good sex than humping. But if you view sex as completely mechanical, it’ll more than likely limit your sexual abilities in the future. 

Anyways I agree... porn feels pointless other than to remove energy from the body and mind. It actually feels harmful sometimes. 

Those where not skills

And I would tell you, being a virgin doesn't have much to do with it.

 

I'll give the analogy of:

I consider myself sexually knowledgeable.

It's like a person that always got an A+ on their training but hasn't actually gone to the field yet.

 

A virgin knows how to and about sex by natural default, because the truth is sex is not really what we do, it's actually what we already are.

 

[Consilience]

@the-philogynist I encourage you to be open to the possibility that sex requires practice to master, and there are skills within sex by which you practice achieving mastery. 

[Shin]

13 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

So you're saying the what masturbation is really about is fantasizing about having another woman?

If that's true then I call it greed.

But we have to learn the grass in not greener on the other side.

18 minutes ago, the-philogynist said:

 

You masturbate because you feel empty inside and wants to feel something.

Whether it's with sex, money, entertainment, or success of any kind it's the same underlying structure.

You feel that something is wrong and that you need to fix it, that you need to do something to finally be fully happy, that there is something that will finally seal the deal and lock happiness.

This isn't done consciously, it's totally unconscious, and it keeps repeating forever, always chasing a physical or mental experience that will fill the void inside.

The thing is, you will never fill that void with something, you have to accept it, you have to feel it instead of covering it up with all kinds of distraction.

Then you will be able to be happy, nothing else will work, because nothing else is touching the core of the problem.

Everything you do in your life, is to distract you from doing this, because if you do this long enough, there would never be any problem anymore ?

[the-philogynist]

1 hour ago, Serotoninluv said:

Simply not true. There are many many men that want sex and can’t get it. There are online forums filled with men unable to get sex trying to learn skills fir pick up. 

You are speaking about human sex as if it was dog sex. For humans, it is a lot more than simply sticking an erect penis in and out of a vagina. 

The best way yo learn is through experience. For example there are skills of oral sex that took me years to learn. These include tongue dexterity, tip of tongue vs flat edge, different pressures, usage of lips, labia or clitoris, motion style, rhythm, consistency vs variation, suction etc. It’s like playing a musical instrument. There have been books written to develop these skills. Yet you need to get in there and practice. 

I somewhat agree with your OP in that watching porn is NOT a good way to develop sexual skills. I would consider it counter-productive. 

Let me ask you something: tongue dexterity, tip of tongue vs flat edge, different pressures, usage of lips, labia or clitoris, motion style, rhythm, consistency vs variation, suction etc., do you have to go to a training school to known how to do those?

It doesn't matter if it's additional minute movements, penis in vagina is basically sex.

Edited December 25, 2019 by the-philogynist

[Shin]

1 minute ago, the-philogynist said:

Let me ask you something dexterity, tip of tongue vs flat edge, different pressures, usage of lips, labia or clitoris, motion style, rhythm, consistency vs variation, suction etc., do you have to go to a training school to known how to do those?

It doesn't matter if it's additional minute movements, penis in vagina is basically sex.

That's the physical part, you can be perfect at this and still not know how to have great sex.

Great sex is about the psychological part, and that needs two pretty well developed human being ?

 

[the-philogynist]

1 hour ago, Shin said:

No skill needed for lame and unfulfilling sex that's for sure.

What you describe is the same as masturbation, just with a vagina.

For deep and amazing sex, it requires much much more.

lame and unfulfilling sex, are your own personal opinions.

Some people do have amazing sex regardless, you're not in people's bedrooms.

[Forestluv]

@the-philogynist You are not aware of what you are missing. I’m not sure why you have created a story that is so far off the mark. It has a couple similarities to the story I was given in a fundamental Catholic environment. 

I suppose if it gives you comfort it may serve a purpose. Yet if you want to become sexually active and good at sex, this story in your head is like chans that will hold you back.