Question RE: Why Reality CANNOT Be A Simulation

[Debil]

Hello!

In this video, Leo refers to some consciousness may be connected to some layers of VR, but in the end it's consciousness.

When I was thinking Simulation, I had something different in mind... Simulation may not involve any consciousness, like - is it possible for virtual character, let's say Mario in a MarioSim3999 game to see, smell, hear, feel and not know it's actually a game object?

In that case, can WE be such an object?

Can the sensory feeling that the object experiences be called consciousness?

[cetus]

@Debil Simply put consciousness is all there is. EVERYTHING else = (distinction) happens within consciousness.

[Debil]

So Mr. Mario is conscious?

[cetus]

Mr. Mario is a distinction within consciousness just like me and you.

[Debil]

On the perspective of someone who perceives Mario... but the question is, how can you know that you're not such a character, which is actually a game object, with no consciousness connected to it?

[purerogue]

Do not see it working without some catalyst like awareness, that can interpret it in such way , just like you need it for organic body , so you would need it for non organic.

I think your question should be more of a , is it possible we are made like a game for someone, and is it even possible for us to break out of it. 

 

[cetus]

As Leo pointed out in the video "see your hand- that is consciousness"

[Debil]

Well, a game character with 5 senses and very intelligent AI can look at its hand and think that it's conscious... 

[purerogue]

8 minutes ago, Debil said:

Well, a game character with 5 senses and very intelligent AI can look at its hand and think that it's conscious... 

Well it should still be aware of what it is doing , just because your calculator can follow set rules , does not mean that his calculations are conscious.

Just like your browser you are using now , you still need catalyst to make it work, not just digits. 

AI is not different from calculator just way more codding. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by purerogue

[Leo Gura]

@Debil The mistake you're making is that you believe YOU are a being with senses. This is untrue. That's the delusion of ego.

You do NOT have consciousness or senses! Consciousness is imagining being human and having senses.

You are trying to give Mario an ego. Which is just doubling down on the delusion. What you must realize is that you are not really a living being.

[Inliytened1]

@Debil if you have a mystical experience in which you become directly conscious that you are consciousness itself you be will conscious of the answer directly.  But only then.  That's what we traditionally call enlightenment.

You will be conscious that consciousness is fundamental and that you are consciousness imagining you are a human. 

Until then this is heresay.

[Forrest Adkins]

@Leo Gura Great video, I have nothing to add. Even though I had no awakenings yet even I see the existential problems with simulation theory.

[Debil]

Thank you for your answers.

As you say @Inliytened1 I haven't had such experience so yes, at the moment I'm theorising. 

[Highest]

2 hours ago, Debil said:

Hello!

In this video, Leo refers to some consciousness may be connected to some layers of VR, but in the end it's consciousness.

When I was thinking Simulation, I had something different in mind... Simulation may not involve any consciousness, like - is it possible for virtual character, let's say Mario in a MarioSim3999 game to see, smell, hear, feel and not know it's actually a game object?

In that case, can WE be such an object?

Can the sensory feeling that the object experiences be called consciousness?

Yeah, that's your normal guy in the street ?

It's nice to come back due, having senses and a body still intact.

That's why I'm taking a cigar right now, to FEEL it.