Sad but True; There are no illusions. You're just unable to accept yourself.

[Ananta]

@Highest Your definition of real and mine differ. Mine is what "never" changes is real..(aka. awareness).

[Inliytened1]

Reality has no ground.  Any ground is being imagined.  We have to imagine there is a ground to ground ourselves in order to even have this conversation.  The illusion is that there is some tangible ground to reality. It is infinite.    

 

[Highest]

8 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

@Anna1

Yup ?

[Ananta]

@Highest ?

[Highest]

"This is an illusion". 

Where is this illusion? 

"There it is, can't you see it, be aware of it?" 

Illusion: LOL "facepalm". 

[SoonHei]

Illusion doesn't mean fake or not real

 

Illusion is not the best word

It's rather, "not what it seems to be"

 

Now u tell me. How that compares with an illusion.

If i were to take a snake and whip you with it and then you saw it wasn't a snake, it was a rope...

Now the fact that you got whipped with a rope vs a snake, does that make you being whipped an illusion? 

 

 

[TrynaBeTurquoise]

2 minutes ago, Highest said:

"This is an illusion". 

Where is this illusion? 

"There it is, can't you see it, be aware of it?" 

Illusion: LOL "facepalm". 

19 minutes ago, Highest said:

No, go full circle. The fact of you being aware of it just proves from your own POV that it's not only Real, but existent. If you were not aware of this mind-created notion "illusion", it simply wouldn't be real or exist. But there is no such thing as non-existence. And there is no such thing as something being unreal if it exists, if it just appear in your direct experience, never the less if you are aware of it, it's real and denying that is delusion. 

 

Don't get lost in language. The illusion is you. Your entire sense of self, your ego mind, is a conceptual fabrication. Surviving this illusory thing dictates everything you do in life, and you have no idea how deep this goes unless you've done some deep inquiry. You have no idea what you speak of when you say "go full circle".

[Highest]

1 minute ago, TrynaBeTurquoise said:

Don't get lost in language. The illusion is you. Your entire sense of self, your ego mind, is a conceptual fabrication. Surviving this illusory thing dictates everything you do in life, and you have no idea how deep this goes unless you've done some deep inquiry. You have no idea what you speak of when you say "go full circle".

19 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

 

You make it all sound so real ?

[Highest]

22 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

Not being able to accept you're illusion is also denying yourself. Real is illusion and vice versa. What comes around goes around. 

This. 

[Ananta]

@Highest Its blank under my quoted name...lol.

That's as real as it gets????

[Highest]

Illusion: 

1 minute ago, Anna1 said:

@Highest Its blank under my name...lol.

That's as real as it gets????

Haha indeed ??xD

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

 

Now the fact that you got whipped with a rope vs a snake

 

 

That hurt.

[Visionary]

This new way of looking at things is greatly demonstrated by Matt Kahn.

I think an integrative approach would be best. These 2 styles represent our own dualistic reality. The nihillistic/masculine approach needs love injected in its structures. Just as the feminine path/integrative approach needs healthy elements of surrender/non-attachment. Both are valuable and need to find common ground.

[Ananta]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That hurt.

@Inliytened1 Ouch, damn snake. I mean rope,  Hehe?

     

[Highest]

Illusion: Here I am. 

Human: You God damn unreal thing. 

Just by giving it a name, you created it, gave it existence and meaning. To go full circle is to become conscious that reality is illusion and vice versa. Illusion itself is reality. 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

@Inliytened1 Ouch, damn snake. I mean rope,  Hehe?

     

Hehe 

[Ananta]

Just now, Highest said:

Illusion: Here I am. 

Human: You God damn unreal thing. 

Just by giving it a name, you created it, gave it existence and meaning. To go full circle is to become conscious that reality is illusion and vice versa. Illusion itself is reality. 

 

 

 

 "At first there were mountains,  then no mountains,  then mountains again"

But, oneness doesn't mean sameness.

 

[Highest]

3 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

 

 "At first there were mountains,  then no mountains,  then mountains again"

But, oneness doesn't mean sameness.

 

I like that qoute. And yeah, oneness doesn't mean sameness. 

But to say something is unreal is to surely deny a part of reality. I have made this mistake but now I see it differently. 

To see someone unconscious of playing an illusion bothered me. Now I see that both the unconscious and the illusion being played cannot be more real than real. There is only reality, only existence. 

[Ananta]

Just now, Highest said:

I like that qoute. And yeah, oneness doesn't mean sameness. 

But to say something is unreal is to surely deny a part of reality. I have made this mistake but now I see it differently. 

To see someone unconscious of playing an illusion bothered me. Now I see that both the unconscious and the illusion being played cannot be more real than real. There is only reality, only existence. 

Don't get hung up on the real and unreal stuff. I don't, it exists and that's the reality in the present moment. Leave it at that.

Whether someone agrees with me or not makes no difference to me.? It's a matter of perspective and how someone sees things,  as well as their spiritual teachings. 

In Advaita Vedanta, the world exists, but is ultimately unreal, because it is always changing and in that tradition the only thing that is real is what "never" changes.

 

 

 

 

[Highest]

3 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

Don't get hung up on the real and unreal stuff. I don't, it exists and that's the reality in the present moment. Leave it at that.

Whether someone agrees with me or not makes no difference to me.? It's a matter of perspective and how someone sees things,  as well as their spiritual teachings. 

In Advaita Vedanta, the world exists, but is ultimately unreal, because it is always changing and in that tradition the only thing that is real is what "never" changes.

 

 

 

 

Indeed, I value that which never changes (awarness) above all, but I personally can't deny anything to be illusory if it's happening in my direct experience. Doesn't matter if it comes and goes, if it changes etc. It's of course ultimately a matter of perspective. 

Note, just have to say that the unconscious aka not being aware or conscious of someting, like that it's a spider in your hair, is fuckings real. And it goes very deep, but no matter how unconscious unconscioussness goes, it's all real. Unconscioussness is real. 

Contrary to awarness which can never not-be-aware or change.