Light Rays and Materialism

[Forrest Adkins]

If reality is non materialisitic, was it designed to seem that way?

We know there is a relative truth to light rays, we know they bounce off of objects and hit our eye and depending on which rays get reflected thats the color we see. We can manipulate this in all kinds of ways so we can be sure thats at least somehow how it works.

Now this doesnt prove materialism and even if its all consciousness - why was it designed that way? Doesnt this whole chain of thought strongly imply that there is an external object below the surface that we cant get to, that we cant ever truly see but that still exists? 

[Leo Gura]

Video games use "light rays" too. Does that make them real? Does that mean light rays cause Mario's face to light up? Does that mean Mario exists outside the video game world?

Your questions are being asked from within the Matrix, so to speak.

What way would life have to be designed for you to say, "This life isn't real."?

Can't you see that no matter how it was designed, since you have nothing else to compare it to, it can't seem anything but real for you.

Consider this: if you were Mickey Mouse in a cartoon world, and you'd never experienced anything but that world, you'd think that it is real. You'd have no choice. It would be your baseline for everything. And what's more, if you ever got a glimpse of human life you'd say, "That's so unreal! Those humans are so limited."

[Petals]

@Forrest Adkins if I understand you correctly you are trying to understand why it seems that there is an external world while at the same time it is said that there is no material universe.

but maybe there is an external world, but it is just not made out of 'material stuff'. 

as Bernardo Kastrup sees it, there is an outside world, but that world is made out of the experiences of 'mind-at-large'. you yourself are a dissociated part of that mind-at-large. when you interact across the dissociative boundary with mind-at-large it presents itself in two ways - 1.) as the subjective experience of space and time you are having right now, and 2.) as an outside 2nd person view on that subjective experience, which looks like light bouncing off of objects hitting the eyes and signals being send to the brain.

for clearer explanations you could read 'why materialism is baloney' or 'the idea of the world' by Bernardo Kastrup.

Edited December 3, 2019 by Petals