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@ArabiaNytes

Hi, "ArabiaNytes"?

One of the beautiful aspects of reaching 2nd tier cognition is the newly found ability to see who's real and who perhaps is going to be a possible drain our already limited and precious individual and collective resources.  This important piece of wisdom goes hand in hand with an ability to discern and then embrace (or disregard) some ideas in favour of more fruitful, self-sustaining and wholistically nourishing attitudes and relationships.

Skepticism is indeed a much needed skill to navigate the dream state of 1st tier deficiency modes of experience.  However, while at the stage Maslow coined as "The Momentous Leap", according to the research one no longer need employ an attitude of skepticism, but instead lean toward a tendency of increasing "Witnessing presence".   This witnessing is a much more advanced mode of processing reality, and therefore is a lot more accurate than mere "throwing bait" and waiting for a bite.

A good rule of thumb that has served me well during my years of self-development is to pick as accurate a framework (or "Map") as possible, lest I become led on a wild-goosechase with some random and empirically questionable New Age pre-rational mindset, and inadvertently make my life more of a mess that it previously was!

I'm extremely glad however that this very common catastrophe has not been the case for me :)

So, as this map seems to be working for me, (and many other thousands of Intergal people) along with the help of a large community of mature self-actualizers and developmental psychologists (professional post masters degree psychologists, in fact) I have absolutely no problem recommending it to other aspiring self-actualizers who are serious about their own self development - and I mean serious in the capacity that their lives depend on it!  

Those of us who don't feel our lives depend on it are welcome to chose from a varied catalogue of other self-development maps that currently accessible to us in this day and age.

Fortunately for those of us who DO follow this map and reach high levels of awareness, it becomes apparent to us that we can never define "people" by any random colour - but merely point out that certain cognitive patterns belong to certain levels of cognitive development.  If you are unfamiliar with this phenomena I'd like to direct you to Alfred Korsybski's work "The Map Is Not The Territory" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation  This will explain things in better terms than I have time to to at this point.

Despite the obviousness at 2nd tier that the map is indeed not the actual territory,I hope you would agree that it is wise and sensible for relative convenience-sake to categorize, say for example, the great Manchester United F.C. as a soccer club of "Premier Division" quality.  Mostly because of the obvious work, investment and skillset the club has developed over the years.  If we can certainly define a premier league soccer club, we can certainly define a person's level of ego development.

There is one developmental stage we currently know of however who flinches at the mere whiff of drawing any such hierarchical value judgements. This is the "green" or pluralistic stage of cognitive development.  Unfortunately for us at this time this is the current centre of gravity in the academia world. While we continue to indoctrinate and churn out "en masse" this particular flavour of deficiency mindset based on the works of philosophers who collectively (but not surprisingly) had a high rate of suicide, while it is an indeed crucial aspect of the evolution of consciousness, it is thankfully not the complete picture.

I hope that more and more of us are turned on by the cutting edge model of Spiral Dynamics and other such "colour coded" models of development, and wholly embrace their already tried and tested capacity to individually and eventually collectively pull us all out of the deficiency mindset and catapult us into a new transformative and radically inclusive way of being.

I hope that you too will be able to join us also!

Warmly

Mal

 

 

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I don't see how you compare defining a soccer skillset analogues to defining the ego so simply. This jus sounds like you're reaching. An external sport is not the same as an internal complex system of the psyche and being.

I understand that participation founds experience and therefore is the ultimate mode of reaching a truly educated conclution on a particular idea. Clearly, it would be my choice to give it a try if I could afford it at this time. Also, I'm sure these assessments provide one with a clearer objective view of the components that make up their charateristics in the working world.

My point was focusing on the root of who a person is not being so easily defined mechanically with barely a real in-person session with a doctor. More than jus skimming the surface and labeling characteristics. 

I think you took what I said way too far for you to feel the need to reference those esteemed doctors to me....Especially where you felt the need to point out "post masters" as if you think you know where I'm at in my life or intending with my degree. Again, reaching. 

I appreciate the lesson but could have done without the subtleties in the undertones and the preaching. Thanks "Mal".

 

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I found a fantastic description of Integral cognition. 

"Often when he (Gebser) speaks of integral consciousness, he is irritated with the inability of language to express something experiential. Integral is not abstraction. It is not a new system of ideas that everyone can agree on. It is a direct experience of "Presence." Not an eternal now, but a consciousness that supports all the multitudes of experience, all the different ways we can perceive time. This "ever-present" nature allows all passing experience to arise and fall within it. To me, this sounds surprisingly like the mystical experience of "satori," or how many Zen masters and Christian contemplatives describe the nature of reality---as being a movement from and within the Godhead. Gebser described this as the "ever present origin," the source of which all events and all worlds are born and die---and are redeemed in. That is why they are "integrated" (and that is why it's called integral consciousness), they allow for the various structures of consciousness to "do their thing" within a kind of supremely creative "alpha and omega." None of these words do it justice. It must be encountered."

6 hours ago, ArabiaNytes said:

@Mal

I appreciate the lesson but could have done without the subtleties in the undertones and the preaching. Thanks "Mal".

You've lost me AbrabiaNytes.  It almost sounds as if you're suggesting that preaching is a bad thing!;)

 

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7 hours ago, ArabiaNytes said:

@Mal @Mal

I don't see how you compare defining a soccer skillset analogues to defining the ego so simply. This jus sounds like you're reaching. An external sport is not the same as an internal complex system of the psyche and being.

I understand that participation founds experience and therefore is the ultimate mode of reaching a truly educated conclution on a particular idea. Clearly, it would be my choice to give it a try if I could afford it at this time. Also, I'm sure these assessments provide one with a clearer objective view of the components that make up their charateristics in the working world.

My point was focusing on the root of who a person is not being so easily defined mechanically with barely a real in-person session with a doctor. More than jus skimming the surface and labeling characteristics. 

The reason for posting these psychologists was two-fold.  Firstly to provide resources for the OP, and secondly for you to contact their institutes directly if you have an issue with their work.  I'm not the right person to get into a debate with regarding the ethics of developmental psychology (like I said, I've got better things to do with my time than to argue on here).  I just happen to think their insights are useful.

Mal

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