Would a turquoise be able to run for US president?

[Tanz]

@Nickyy I dont know of any conversations that Bernie that indicates yellow or of any book he has written.  His lifes purpose has been as an activist and to bring awareness of problems.  Fixing medicare, corruption, and student debt are huge feats to pull off.  

I think your love for Bernie is putting him somewhere he is not, based on spiral dynamics. Bernie will be a great direction for America but you gotta be careful not to put him on a pedestal.  Obama put himself and the media portrayed Obama as a stage yellow and hope for America but it created a pseudo awakening that brought Trump into office.  

[Nickyy]

6 minutes ago, Tanz said:

@Nickyy I dont know of any conversations that Bernie that indicates yellow or of any book he has written.  His lifes purpose has been as an activist and to bring awareness of problems.  Fixing medicare, corruption, and student debt are huge feats to pull off.  

I think your love for Bernie is putting him somewhere he is not, based on spiral dynamics. Bernie will be a great direction for America but you gotta be careful not to put him on a pedestal.  Obama put himself and the media portrayed Obama as a stage yellow and hope for America but it created a pseudo awakening that brought Trump into office.  

Sorry, but I never looked into Bernie until this afternoon. 

[Nickyy]

@Tanz Plus I'm a Brit. Lol. I'm not really that interested in Bernie, only in correctly defining the colours. 

 

[Tanz]

@Nickyy If Jordon Peterson was intellectually honest and didnt speak in left or right language to please his audience then he would be yellow.  
A yellow person would be able to dissect some elements of human nature sociologically and give people some advice on how to get out of it.  

Tony Robbins would be a good example of a yellow

Andrew Yangs example of, how we need to weigh human beings based on their contribution to their society without looking at numbers like for school teachers and caretakers for children is a yellow idea.. does that make him yellow? not really but that idea is  
If you want to go deeper into yellow on that idea, a statement that "everyones existence in america and the world is important regardless of what they do" is yellow and in the realm of early torquise.  A green statement would be "all the people in america are important"  

[Nickyy]

18 minutes ago, Tanz said:

@Nickyy If Jordon Peterson was intellectually honest and didnt speak in left or right language to please his audience then he would be yellow.  
A yellow person would be able to dissect some elements of human nature sociologically and give people some advice on how to get out of it.  

Tony Robbins would be a good example of a yellow

Andrew Yangs example of, how we need to weigh human beings based on their contribution to their society without looking at numbers like for school teachers and caretakers for children is a yellow idea.. does that make him yellow? not really but that idea is  
If you want to go deeper into yellow on that idea, a statement that "everyones existence in america and the world is important regardless of what they do" is yellow and in the realm of early torquise.  A green statement would be "all the people in america are important"  

I guess what you're saying is that green inclusivity is only applicable to the country? 

That sounds more like blue. 

Green (as far as I can see by observing it) is that no idea is better than any other, that all perspectives are relative and that every perspective needs to be looked at in its own context. 

It's an attempt to level out the playing field and remove hierarchy. Now, if Bernie was really green he would be trying to do away with orange comoletely because orange is basically a hierarchical system. Seeing as real green doesn't believe in hierarchy, I can't see why they would even admit to seeing orange as part of a solution. 

Bernie in that discussion I saw seems to genuine resonate with a hierarchy of ideas and is attempting to make the spriral heathy by calling out the pathological aspects of orange and correcting it, evolving it to a yellow system where it's forced to contribute to the health of a system rather than exploit the system for personal gain. 

Making a system healthy and including it as part of a solution is spiral wizardry. 

Green doesn't even believe in healthy and unhealthy aspects of a values meme.

I can definately say Bernie seems yellow because he doesn't seem to be trying on a yellow idea, but he really does resonate with yellow solutions for the good of systems. 

Not biased here, just aware of how stupid green really is

 

Edited November 16, 2019 by Nickyy

[Tanz]

@Nickyy I was making an example of green being more narrowminded in its view and binary. For example, Disney movies trying too hard to set a message that women can be strong as men in their marvel films compared to wonder woman film being more subtle and offering a much better universal message. 

Green short comings is it tends to alienate the ones in power. Where as other colors below green alienate the weak. 

Obama structures a lot of his thoughts and words in a yellow way. Just the policies and what he was able to do in office was mostly orange and some green. 

Bernies method of removing hierarchy systems is to take something away from those with the power which has some logic but a yellow person would just build something better. 

Edited November 16, 2019 by Tanz

[Nickyy]

@Tanz

28 minutes ago, Tanz said:

@Nickyy but a yellow person would just build something better. 

 Like what? 

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Nickyy said:

@Leo Gura I don't think Bernie is green, his outlook is yellow. I just watched a quick clip of him speaking on Joe Rogan about adopting Canadian healthcare etc and he's not really demonizing big industry, but merely pointing out the pathological bits of capitalism that are proving themselves to be a problem for the whole system.

Green is not really like that, green would dish out everything equally because it demonizes any form of hierarchy altogether.

I simply consider that healthy Green.

Be careful holding demonization as a defining feature of Green. That's pathological Green.

Of course Bernie has some elements of Yellow in him. It's hard to tell what the exact percentages are without knowing him more personally.

To me he is the poster-boy of solid healthy Green.

[Tanz]

@Nickyy blockchain, clean energy rather than fight over oil, internet compared to building the best library at Harvard,  rather than taking down big pharmaceutical companies, create a company that teaches people how to grow their own food and eat well.  A green person would want to do a massive audit on big pharma and remove lobbyist that are from those companies, they would focus a lot of energy and resources weaken these companies.  

Turquoise will create an environment to allow people to live from the inside out when addressing health and well-being.  Instead of throwing people in jail, they would get treated with love and compassion through the use of education on how money works, how to add value in society, and of course, healing the criminal emotionally and spiritually.  The system would help criminals get out of their mental prison.  

Edited November 17, 2019 by Tanz

[CreamCat]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

We need to solidify in Green before we start worrying too much about Yellow.

What would Yellow presidential candidates tell americans? How would americans react to Yellow? Haven't you integrated Yellow so far? What would you tell americans if you were a presidential candidate?

What is there to worry about?

Edited November 17, 2019 by CreamCat

[tenta]

No, because even if the stage turquoise person censored themselves they'd still be dealing with a crowd this idiotic:

 

[Nickyy]

10 hours ago, Tanz said:

@Nickyy blockchain, clean energy rather than fight over oil, internet compared to building the best library at Harvard,  rather than taking down big pharmaceutical companies, create a company that teaches people how to grow their own food and eat well.  A green person would want to do a massive audit on big pharma and remove lobbyist that are from those companies, they would focus a lot of energy and resources weaken these companies.  

Turquoise will create an environment to allow people to live from the inside out when addressing health and well-being.  Instead of throwing people in jail, they would get treated with love and compassion through the use of education on how money works, how to add value in society, and of course, healing the criminal emotionally and spiritually.  The system would help criminals get out of their mental prison.  

I don't get the sense that Bernie wants to "take down" big pharma. He only wants big business to pay their taxes so that it frees up money for regenerating the system.

Those other ideas are nice, but you got to think practically. Bernie knows he has 4 years, he's got to win confidence of the people in those 4 years. Imagine saying to the public that he's going to try to reform criminals by showing them examples of compassion? Maybe he does feel compassion for criminals? But he is tied to what he can practically achieve with what he's got.

I resonated with almost everything he said, but I don't consider myself green. Green is one of the dumbest ideologies going. Ok it has done some good things but 60 years on from the start of green we can see now how if holds progress back. A case in point being the European Union. The EU are basically dictators who betrayed healthy democracy by continuing to pass idiotic laws without informing the public. The EU have an ideology and everyone had to fall in line with it. Communism 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Nickyy

[Nickyy]

@Tanz Green would say, 

"Big industry now belongs to the people, for the people, it's now non profit".

Green isn't that far off from communism. 

Try to imagine the effects on having to grow your own food. Society isn't set up for that. We haven't got the land or the individual time to grow enough food to sustain each of us. People work shifts now because society is a 27/7 event. People are living in cramped spaces in cities unable to even enjoy a garden. 

It's more economical to have agriculture from a centralised source as it is now, because it takes less resources to make massive amounts of crops. 

 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Nickyy

[Tanz]

@Nickyy big pharma was an example of the lobbyist.  bankers, defense, agriculture they are part of it too.... 

Its actually cheaper to grow your own food but takes time, it's also very possible to have neighbors grow their own vegetables and fruits and share them, although I think places like California it isn't allowed because of the lobbyist were scared people wont buy things in the supermarket during the 2008 crash.  Has it been enforced? Not yet but if you can imagine if a community with 100,000 people did such a thing, there would probably be some problems.  

When people are unified they are stronger and that is what mainstream doesnt want.  They want people isolated or someone like a libertarian.  

If you cant see how green would be more effective in just about every category than orange both economically and spiritually then you probably need to do some work and look inside.  

Our natural state is to help one another and work together.  Culture and education, particularly in America, take that away.

If proper solutions have not come up in green or yellow, it has more to do with our stupidity to think of a solution rather than a limitation of a system.  Largely we are still primitive as a collective race and 300 years from now the people of the future will probably laugh at how people do things.    

 

 

[Tanz]

@Nickyy

21 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

Actually all of your comments here feel manipulative. I dont believe you are objective , but feel a need to get personal eg."my love for Bernie"

That's creepy 

hmm what makes you think such a thing?  
You could be looking too much into my words rather than the points im trying to make... I can see that I was mentally lazy and didnt want to write more examples to elaborate my points.  Im also trying to make points on what I believe what green, yellow, and torquise is, if that is manipulative then feel free to believe im trying manipulate you.   
  
Generally, I don't put anyone on a pedestal. I really like Bernie and I would vote for him but I dont see him making my life any better or not better than it already is.  Collective consciousness shift and movement leading to action needs to happen in order for anything to really make a dent to the devilry that already exist.  Policy, words and ideas wont get us anywhere imho.    

On that note, Marriane Williamson's interview I saw on TYT on one of the pages on this site was refreshing to listen to.  I would say I do like her better than Bernie and see her much more evolved than him.  Cenk's comments about the Trump voters in that interview is definitely a great example of the devilry of the left or ego backlash as Leo would say.  

A yellows solution to the cramped up environment that you mentioned was to create or organized cities and spread people out more yet find a way for these clusters of people to connect whenever they want.....There is plenty of land and resources out there for everyone... the scarcity mindset is part of the ego's beliefs and people have fallen for it for a long time.  

Edited November 17, 2019 by Tanz

[Nickyy]

55 minutes ago, Tanz said:

@Nickyy 

If proper solutions have not come up in green or yellow, it has more to do with our stupidity to think of a solution rather than a limitation of a system.  Largely we are still primitive as a collective race and 300 years from now the people of the future will probably laugh at how people do things.    

This is an opinion, not backed by reality or careful observation of what is

55 minutes ago, Tanz said:

@NickyyIts actually cheaper to grow your own food

Evidence? If you can show how it's more economically viable for people to grow their own vegetables (on land they haven't even got and that is largely owned by greedy real estate bosses) then you might have a point. At this point this is just a fantasy that isn't taking into account what already is and how new ideas can be accomplished - in 4 years.

55 minutes ago, Tanz said:

@Nickyy

When people are unified they are stronger and that is what mainstream doesnt want.  They want people isolated or someone like a libertarian.  

Evidence? You're saying that most individuals (the mainstream) want corporate capitalism? Ok, provide some actual solid research to back this strange assumption. And where is your evidence that people being unified will serve our current systems evolution? Give some examples at least lol

55 minutes ago, Tanz said:

@Nickyy 

If you cant see how green would be more effective in just about every category than orange both economically and spiritually then you probably need to do some work and look inside.  

 

This makes no sense. You are the one saying Bernie's ideas are green, and I am saying I resonate with them. So how can you say I do not see how "green" would be of value?

This feels very manipulative because you haven't even taken five minutes to work out a logical response.

I've already given you an example of how green doesn't work. Via the EU 

55 minutes ago, Tanz said:

@Nickyy 

Our natural state is to help one another and work together.  Culture and education, particularly in America, take that away.
 

Absolutely. Which is what Bernie is proposing happen. 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Nickyy

[Nickyy]

1 hour ago, Tanz said:

@Nickyy 

Our natural state is to help one another and work together.  Culture and education, particularly in America, take that away.
 

Wow, hold on. I didn't even register that part. Culture and education are bad for the species?

LMAO.

Ok, I think this conversation has run its course. I don't see any 2nd tier people saying that culture and education are bad for the species. 

Do you want us all to go back to living in caves or something? To build houses you need education. Culture is part of all species whether you like it or not. It's just a fact of life.

Anyway, done here, not being brainwashed by some idiot with an agenda

Blocked!

Edited November 17, 2019 by Nickyy

[Tanz]

@Nickyy

55 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

This is an opinion, not backed by reality or careful observation of what is

1 hour ago, Tanz said:

The consensus on history showing that evolution has been happening is evidence.  Historically we have been moving forward but I can admit there could be a possibility that we move backwards either caused by our own ego destroying ourselves or a comet hitting us and plunging us into a massive survival state digressing us backwards.... sure I have thought of that many times but I am going to believe that humanity is improving and that I and others will help move humanity forward.... that belief makes my life better so I choose it... lets say a comet does hit us, ill just start over again and go back to actualized.org to reply back to you again =P

 

 

55 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

Evidence? You're saying that most individuals (the mainstream) want corporate capitalism? Ok, provide some actual solid research to back this strange assumption. And where is your evidence that people being unified will serve our current systems evolution? Give some examples at least lol

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that those with great wealth want to keep the status quo in order to hold their power longer... Noam Chomsky and Richard Wolff go extensively into it.  Tulsi Gabbard called out the DNC when they rigged 2016 for HIllary.  Any simpleton would know that both parties have been toying with America while they had the same masters.  During Obama's time,  they had a chance to throw bankers in jail but didnt.  One of those bankers was elected into office or nominated by Trump!    

55 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

Evidence? If you can show how it's more economically viable for people to grow their own vegetables (on land they haven't even got and that is largely owned by greedy real estate bosses) then you might have a point. At this point this is just a fantasy that isn't taking into account what already is and how new ideas can be accomplished - in 4 years.

My parents are the cheapest people I know.  They grow their own food and even raise their own bees while living fairly close to a major city(30 min away). They also share veggies with their neighbors.  
I wont give you the idea and I dont have enough money for it but if I happen to become a billionaire, I have some viable ideas that I believe will work
=P

 

 

55 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

This makes no sense. You are the one saying Bernie's ideas are green, and I am saying I resonate with them. So how can you say I do not see how "green" would be of value?

This feels very manipulative because you haven't even taken five minutes to work out a logical response.

I've already given you an example of how green doesn't work. Via the EU 

There are geopolitical forces that come in place and socialism and all other isms arent working because humanity has not evolved itself spiritually and emotionally.  Orange materialism has gotten many people to believe that sharing with others doesnt work but back in the day slavery was totally normal...Freedon brought to others only creates more winners
 Frankly speaking political ideology and spiral dynamics doesnt mean shit.  If you think that names and ideas mean anything then you have a lot of growth  The only thing that really matters is whether or not you are actively doing something to make your society better... I am trying my best, I can only speak on my own behalf but I have been playing too small

Edited November 17, 2019 by Tanz

[Hatfort]

A turquoise president would understand that this moment in history requires a green president to advance, so he would appear as green and implement green measures. However, would be essentially turquoise, so I guess he would also be feeding higher or more conscious agendas. But who knows, I don't understand turquoise very much.

[Nak Khid]

A turquoise president would be nice

of course not as great as a coral