You are not God and will never be.

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, ivankiss said:

@Leo Gura You overlook what's actually being said.

It's simple.

A chair is not the table.

The separation is imaginary, yes. But you still sit on your chair. Not the table. 

Realizing that everything is God is half-baked awakening. 

This is a round trip.

But the chair IS the table.  It is a strange loop, or paradox because of the self reference problem.  There is no where to go.  Duality into non-duality into duality into non-duality forever.  Forever. To Infinity.  There is only One.

[ivankiss]

@Inliytened1 Nope. 

The chair is not the table.

One can argue there's no chair and no table. 

One can argue both are made out of the same substance.

But if there is a chair, it is certainly not the table.

Nowhere to go; everywhere to go. Within stillness I move.

There is no actual difference between duality and nonduality.

 

[remember]

@ivankiss you mean if there is a table it is probably not the chair. but if there is no table, it is probably the chair.

[Nak Khid]

2 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Inliytened1 Nope. 

The chair is not the table.

One can argue there's no chair and no table. 

One can argue both are made out of the same substance.

But if there is a chair, it is certainly not the table.

Nowhere to go; everywhere to go. Within stillness I move.

There is no actual difference between duality and nonduality.

 

A chair might be comprised of wood, nails and glue, and the wood's molecules broken down into atoms and so on.
The furniture in the room would include the chair table and bed.
Everything would contain all of it.

 

[Lento]

7 hours ago, modmyth said:

I admit, I don't really get this or relate to it. Why do people get all conceptual about God? Like, try to use the organizing and defining functions of the mind on something itself that is also... a kind of concept/ idea itself to start with; and not necessarily a higher order one at that. (We could get technical about what a concept actually is)

What do you actually get out this, practically speaking? Emotionally, mentally, aesthetically?

This is why I tend to focus on direct experience/ understanding, and then the function of the mind is to be a transmitter/ translator of sorts. Does this insight come from direct experience? Help me understand.

Good points! I would say that people do that to gain authority over each other, like tricking other less intellectual people into thinking that the truth is something while it's actually nothing, and that they have it and others don't. It seems like a survival mechanism, the more intellectual a person is, the less power they have in the material world, except that they have their imagination and genius, and so here we are. Man uses other animals because of his vivid imagination, and so people do between each other. They might not be conscious of that behaviour, but whatever.

God can a dangerous devil.

It could also be due to inferiority/superiority complexities, and it could be a self-deception where the magician fools himself with his own tricks, and/or it could be something else as well.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Lento

[Lento]

I agree with the opening post.

There is non-duality, and there is duality, and then there is trinity, that is the collapse of both into one.

Old wisdom should never be dismissed or underestimated.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Lento

[Inliytened1]

45 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Inliytened1 Nope. 

The chair is not the table.

One can argue there's no chair and no table. 

One can argue both are made out of the same substance.

But if there is a chair, it is certainly not the table.

Nowhere to go; everywhere to go. Within stillness I move.

There is no actual difference between duality and nonduality.

 

Relatively speaking the chair is not the table   That is a duality.  It is created so there can be such a thing as a chair and a table. But duality  is created within non-duality.   Form within formlessness. So from the Absolute perspective all must collapse into One.  So yes duality is ultimately identical to and IS non-duality.   I think we are saying the same thing no?  Therefore God is splintering itself.  The parts are still God but simultaneously creating the illusion that it can be something other than God.  But that is simultaneously still God.  In that very illusion though, it IS something other than God or it wouldn't be an illusion.  But the illusion can be shattered.  You can't escape that!  If you say you can escape that then you are stopping halfway around the circle.  

[ivankiss]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think we are saying the same thing no?  

In a sense, yes.

If there is illusion, God is illusion. No difference between illusion and real. No difference between God and no God. 

My original post is not negating God though. It is not negating you or me. Or Oneness.

It's just putting things in their place. Instead of mixing them all up randomly.

I am I.

You are You.

God is God.

 

That's actuality.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

In a sense, yes.

If there is illusion, God is illusion. No difference between illusion and real. No difference between God and no God. 

My original post is not negating God though. It is not negating you or me. Or Oneness.

It's just putting things in their place. Instead of mixing them all up randomly.

I am I.

You are You.

God is God.

 

That's actuality.

Actually, actuality itself is just God.  You and i just collapse as there is no notion of self and other.  

[ivankiss]

@Inliytened1 And no notion of God.

That is why there is no such thing as "I am God" 

Edited November 11, 2019 by ivankiss

[fi1ghtclub]

You're pure consciousness. And as that you have no limitation.
The only limitation you put on yourself is a self imposed limitation.

There are no limits other than the limits you create for yourself.

There are no things.

 

[Inliytened1]

39 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Inliytened1 An no notion of God.

Just the feeling or experience of Divine bliss and Love :)❤?.  And paradoxically a realizaton or two.   As God.  One of those can be that you ARE God! 

But i knew what you meant by your post.  Don't wanna mislead newcomers though with the title.

[fi1ghtclub]

The only way to be unlimited is to impose limits.

You're truly unlimited and you have limits - duality.

A beautiful paradox

Makes sense?

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

 

That is why there is no such thing as "I am God" 

That's where language breaks down.  

[ivankiss]

@fi1ghtclub Pure consciousness does not negate individuality.

The formless does not negate the form.

Things are just as much real as they are not.

[ivankiss]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's where language breaks down.  

And that can be tremendously misleading.

?

[fi1ghtclub]

@ivankissPure consciousness does not negate anything. There is nothing other than itself to negate it.

This is where language can be limiting.

Form IS Formless.

ISness is the only reality.

Edited November 11, 2019 by fi1ghtclub

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

And that can be tremendously misleading.

?

❤ indeed.  I will also add for anyone who wondered - how can you have a realization during an experience of actuality/Being or aka God of there if there is no self to have it?  Well it is instantaneous realization.  There is no finite thought involved. Its pure magic.

 

[Nak Khid]

5 hours ago, ivankiss said:

My original post is not negating God though. It is not negating you or me. Or Oneness.

It's just putting things in their place. Instead of mixing them all up randomly.

I am I.

You are You.

God is God.

 

That's actuality.

are we a part of everything ("God") ?

 

Edited November 11, 2019 by Nak Khid

[fi1ghtclub]

You're not the chair and the table. You're the entirety of the chair and the table that appears as the chair and table and everything there is.